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Fr. Faber on the cosmos and aliens
« on: July 11, 2021, 12:12:51 PM »
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  • I started reading Fr. Faber's book The Precious Blood yesterday, and came upon this curious little passage in his exaltation of the Precious Blood of Christ when he marveled at the wonder of the stars in God's creation. It's interesting because the notion of extraterrestrial beings on other worlds was not foreign to even priests of the 19th century like Fr. Faber. Especially given the controversies that some Trads have made of the Vatican's words in recent decades about "baptizing ET" and the like (I certainly doubt that any alien phenomena of the last century is much more than demonic activity and deception). It's interesting to note that the possibility was not out of the question to even "ultramontane", orthodox priests like Fr. Frederick William Faber.

    From The Precious Blood, ch. I., pp. 11-12:
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    God made the angels and the stars. The starry world is an overwhelming thing to think of. Its distances are so vast that they frighten us. The number of its separate worlds is so enormous that it bewilders us. Imagine a ray of light, which travels one hundred and ninety-two thou-sand miles in a second; and yet there are stars whose light would take a million of years to reach the earth. We know of two hundred thousand stars down to the ninth magnitude. In one single cluster of stars, eighteen millions of stars have been discovered between the tenth and eleventh magnitudes. Of these clusters men have al-ready discovered more than four thousand. Each of these stars is not a planet, like the earth; but a sun, like our sun, and perhaps with planets round it, like ourselves. Of these suns we know of some which are one hundred and forty-six times brighter than our sun. What an idea all this gives us of the grandeur and magnificence of God! Yet we know that all these stars were created for Jesus and because of Jesus. He is the head and firstborn of all creation. Mary’s Son is the king of the stars. His Precious Blood has something to do with all of them. Just as it merited graces for the angels, so does it merit blessings for the stars. If they have been inhabited before we were, or are inhabited now, or will at some future time begin to be inhabited, their inhabitants, whether fallen and re-deemed, or unfallen and so not meddling to be re-deemed, will owe immense things to the Precious Blood. Yet earth, our little humble earth, will always have the right to treat the Precious Blood with special endearments, because it is its native place. When the angels, as they range through space, see our little globe twinkling with its speck of coloured light, it is to them as the little Holy House in the hollow glen of Nazareth, more sacred and more glorious than the amplest places in starry space.


    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Fr. Faber on the cosmos and aliens
    « Reply #1 on: July 11, 2021, 06:33:03 PM »
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  • I'm currently reading this treatise on the possibility that there are rational creatures other than angels and men:

    https://archive.org/details/demonialityorinc00sinirich/page/84/mode/2up
    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer


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    Re: Fr. Faber on the cosmos and aliens
    « Reply #2 on: July 11, 2021, 06:46:03 PM »
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  • I'm currently reading this treatise on the possibility that there are rational creatures other than angels and men:

    https://archive.org/details/demonialityorinc00sinirich/page/84/mode/2up
    That sounds really interesting
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Fr. Faber on the cosmos and aliens
    « Reply #3 on: July 11, 2021, 09:44:27 PM »
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  • In any case, all creation groans and is awaiting their deliverance (cf Romans 8:19-22).  
    please pray for me

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    Re: Fr. Faber on the cosmos and aliens
    « Reply #4 on: July 11, 2021, 10:53:59 PM »
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  • That sounds really interesting
    Here's a bit relating St. Anthony's experience:

    77. A third principal proof of our con-
    clusion regarding the existence of those
    animals, in other words, respecting the
    corporeity of Incubi, is adduced by the
    testimony of St Hieronymus, in his Life
    of St Paul, the first Hermit. St Anthony,
    says he, set on a journey to visit St Paul.
    After traveling several days, he met a
    Centaur, of whom he inquired the hermit's
    abode ; whereupon the Centaur, growling
    some uncouth and scarcely intelligible
    answer, shew the way with his out-stretched
    hand, and fled with the utmost speed into
    a wood. The Holy Abbot kept on his way,
    and, in a dale, met a little man, almost a
    dwarf, with crooked hands, horned brow,
    and his lower extremities ending with
    goat's feet. At the sight of him, St Anthony
    stood still, and fearing the arts of the De-
    vil, comforted himself with a sign of the
    Cross. But, far from running away, or even
    seeming frightened at it, the little fellow
    respectfully approached the old man, and
    tendered him, as a peace offering, dates
    for his journey. The blessed St Anthony
    having then inquired who he was : « 1 am
    a mortal, » replied he, « and one of the inha-
    bitants of the Wilderness, whom Gentility^
    under its varied delusions, worships under
    the names of Fauns^ Satyrs and Incubi ; I
    am on a mission from my flock : we request
    thee to pray for us unto the common God,
    whom we know to have come for the salva-
    tion of the world, and whose praises are
    sounded all over the earth. » Rejoicing at
    the glory of Christ, St Anthony, turning his
    face towards Alexandria, and striking the
    ground with his staff, cried out : » Woe be
    unto thee^ thou harlot City, who worshipest
    animals as Gods ! » Such is the narrative
    of St Hieronymus, who expatiates at length
    on the fact, explaining its import in a long
    discourse.

    78. It were indeed rash to doubt the
    truth of the above recital, constantly re-
    ferred to by the greatest of the Doctors of
    the Holy Church, St Hieronymus, whose
    authority no Catholic will ever deny. Let
    us therefore investigate the circuмstances
    thereof which most clearly confirm our
    opinion.

    79. Firstly, we must observe that if ever
    a Saint was assailed by the arts of the De-
    mon, saw through his infernal devices, and
    carried off victories and trophies from the
    contest, that Saint was St Anthony, as is
    shown by his life written by St Athana-
    sius. Now, since in that little man St An-
    thony did not recognize a devil but an
    animal, saying : « Woe be unto thee^ thou
    harlot City, who worshipest animals as
    Gods ! », it is clear that it was no devil or
    pure spirit ejected from heaven and damned,
    but some kind of animal. Still more : St
    Anthony, when instructing his friars and
    cautioning them against the assaults of the
    Demon, said to them, as related in the
    Roman Breviary [Festival of St Anthony^
    Abbot ^ b. I) ; « Believe me, my brethren,
    Satan dreads the vigils of pious men, their
    prayers, fasts, voluntary poverty, compas-
    sion and humility; but, above all, he dreads
    their burning love of our Lord Christ, at
    the mere sign of whose most Holy Cross he
    flies disabled. » As the little man, against
    whom St Anthony guarded himself with a
    sign of the Cross, neither took fright nor
    fled, but approached the Saint confidently
    and humbly, offering him some dates, it is
    a sure sign that he was no Devil.

    80. Secondly, we must observe that the
    little man said : « / also am a mortal »,
    whence it follows that he was an animal
    subject to death, and consequently called
    into being through generation ; for, an
    immaterial spirit is immortal, because sim-
    ple, and consequently is not called into
    being through generation from preexistent
    matter, but through creation, and, conse-
    quently also, cannot lose it through the
    corruption called death ; its existence can
    only come to an end through annihilation.
    Therefore, when saying he was mortal, he
    professed himself an animal.

    81. Thirdly, we must observe that he
    said he knew that the common God had
    suffered in human flesh. Those words show
    him to have been a rational animal, for
    brutes know nothing but what is sensible
    and present, and can therefore have no
    knowledge of God. If that little man said
    that he and his fellows were aware of God
    having suffered in human flesh, it shows
    that, by means of some revelation, he had
    acquired the notion of God, as we have
    ourselves the revealed faith. That God as-
    sumed human flesh and suffered in it, is the
    essence of the two principal articles of our
    Faith ; the existence of God one and three-
    fold, His Incarnation, Passion and Resur-
    rection. All that shows, as I said, that it
    was a rational animal, capable of the know-
    ledge of God through revelation, like our-
    selves, and endowed with a rational, and
    consequently, immortal soul.

    82. Fourthly, we must observe that, in
    the name of his whole flock whose dele-
    gate he professed to be, he besought St An-
    thony to pray for them to the common
    God. Wherefrom I infer that that little man
    was capable of beatitude and damnation,
    and that he was not in termino but in via ;
    for, from his being, as has been shown
    above, rational and consequently endowed
    with an immortal soul, it flows that he was
    capable of beatitude and damnation, the
    proper share of every rational Creature,
    Angel or man. I likewise infer that he was
    on the way, in via, that is, capable of
    merit and demerit ; for, if he had been at
    the goal, in termino, he would have been
    either blessed or damned. Now, he could be
    neither the one nor the other ; for, St An-
    thony's prayers, to which he commended
    himself, could have been of no assistance
    to him, if finally damned, and, if blessed,
    he stood in no need of them. Since he
    commended himself to those prayers, it
    shows they could be of avail to him, and,
    consequently, that he was on the way to
    salvation, in statu vice et meriti.

    83. Fifthly, we must observe that the
    little man professed to be delegated by
    others of his kind, when saying : « 1 am
    on a mission from my flock », words from
    which many inferences may be deduced.
    One is, that the little man was not alone
    of his kind, an exceptional and solitary
    monster, but that there were many of the
    same species, since congregating they made
    up a flock, and that he came in the name of
    all ; which could not have been, had not the
    will of many centered in him. Another is,
    that those animals lead a social life, since
    one of them was sent in the name of many.
    Another again is , that , although living
    in the Wilderness, it is not assigned to
    them as a permanent abode ; for St An-
    thony having never previously been in that
    desert, which was far distant from his her-
    mitage, they could not have known who he
    was nor what his degree of sanctity ; it was
    therefore necessary that they should have
    become acquainted with him elsewhere,
    and, consequently, that they should have
    traveled beyond that wilderness.

    84. Lastly, we must observe that the
    little man said he was one of those whom
    the Gentiles, blinded by error, call Fauns,
    Satyrs and Incubi : and by these words is
    shown the truth of our principal proposi-
    tion : that Incubi are rational animals,
    capable of beatitude and damnation.

    Patience is a conquering virtue. The learned say that, if it not desert you, It vanquishes what force can never reach; Why answer back at every angry speech? No, learn forbearance or, I'll tell you what, You will be taught it, whether you will or not.
    -Geoffrey Chaucer