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Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
« on: July 12, 2021, 05:23:12 PM »
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    Pastor’s Corner
    Dear Faithful and Friends,
    I pray that this little letter finds you well. I know the Summer is still a busy time for families and individuals. As many of you know we priests are often absent at different times during the summer because of vacations and extra apostolic duties. Watch for any changes in scheduling. Pray for the Fathers of the Our Lady of the Angels Priory. Remember we pray for you too!
    I take this opportunity before the Girls Camp in Wisconsin to explain a concern, speak a warning and give my direction as Prior/Pastor of the SSPX apostolate in Southern California.
    One of of our former priests of the Society of Saint Pius X, left the union of priests, argued against us as Resistance and has recently assumed to himself the Episcopacy. His ordaining bishop is of a highly doubtful, excommunicated, sedevacantist, illegitimate line of THUC bishops and has no certain power, and he was not in any condition or given authority to Consecrate. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer has assumed to himself this episcopal consecration as “bishop” at the hands of a doubtful bishop and now has “ordained” men who are not prepared and who have no right to be parading as Catholic priests. A few of you have been asked to participate in the ceremonies of Masses of these “priests”  and I have told you to not have anything to do with these misled and harmful men. They do no good for the Church in the way they proceed. To participate WITH THEM OR TO RECEIVE NORMALLY HOLY THINGS FROM FAKE MINISTERS is destructive to your faith, participation in another’s sin of irreverance toward the Priesthood of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Mass, and at worst it is that of Sacrilege! I am sorry if anyone has given them positions, authority or place to act as priests. This is my warning and prohibition. Stay far away. Your neighbors from a local traditional Mass center may need help and reassurance. Make certain they are welcome at Our Lady of the Angels. We need solid, certain and objective life in the Church.
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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #1 on: July 12, 2021, 05:48:40 PM »
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  • As a supporter of the Resistance since day 1, I am in full agreement on this issue (Fr. Pfeiffer).

    You can't just throw prudence, common sense, and virtue to the wind because "we need priests". You can't place your own will above God's will, as Fr. Pfeiffer has done. There is NO indication in the real world that it's God's will for him to head a seminary, OR become a bishop. That was 100% Fr. Pfeiffer's will.

    On the contrary -- there was plenty of evidence to the contrary. There wasn't just a lack of POSITIVE evidence that it WAS God's will -- after all, most actions we have to guess what God's will is. God seldom speaks with a physical voice to us. No, in this case God's voice was loud and clear -- but Fr. P ignored it, because he didn't like the message.
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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #2 on: July 12, 2021, 06:07:30 PM »
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  • As a supporter of the Resistance since day 1, I am in full agreement on this issue.

    You missed some of the BS in that post which could easily be turned against the Resistance, denouncing the Thuc line as "excommunicated", "illegitimate" and not "given authority to Consecrate".  That would apply as much to +Williamson's consecrations.  Of course, even to those performed by +Lefebvre (but somehow the SSPX claim that those were different).

    Next I'm waiting for them to cast aspersions even on the validity of the +Williamson consecrations, applying the Fr. (now bishop) Kelly smear that Bishop Williamson was not mentally competent to perform them (citing examples of his mental instability).

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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #3 on: July 12, 2021, 06:09:31 PM »
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  • You missed some of the BS in that post which could easily be turned against the Resistance, denouncing the Thuc line as "excommunicated", "illegitimate" and not "given authority to Consecrate".  That would apply as much to +Williamson's consecrations.  Of course, even to those performed by +Lefebvre (but somehow the SSPX claim that those were different).
    Yes, you're right. But I'm only in agreement with him on the ONE issue of Fr. Pfeiffer and his legitimacy.  And yes, I even agree that going Thuc-line was a bad, dangerous move that should cause Catholics to steer clear.
    Thuc-line consecrations *are* problematic, he's absolutely right about that.
    This is not about consecration without a Papal mandate. It's about Thuc-line in particular. Huge difference.
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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #4 on: July 12, 2021, 06:11:28 PM »
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  • Yes, you're right. But I'm only in agreement with him on the ONE issue of Fr. Pfeiffer and his legitimacy.  And yes, I even agree that going Thuc-line was a bad, dangerous move that should cause Catholics to steer clear.
    Thuc-line consecrations *are* problematic, he's absolutely right about that.
    This is not about consecration without a Papal mandate. It's about Thuc-line in particular. Huge difference.

    With the Thuc line, the only added dimensions are "sedevacantist" and "doubtful" ... although I reject the latter.  That's from the Fr. Kelly propaganda regarding Bishop Thuc's mental state, which is completely unfounded and which would apply to Bishop Mendez more than Bishop Thuc.

    Nevertheless, THIS particular Thuc line IS problematic due to a weak link in the sacerdotal lineage of Bishop(?) Webster.

    Then of course there's the botched consecration attempt that Fr. did not cite.


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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #5 on: July 12, 2021, 06:42:23 PM »
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  • Father Pfeiffer should be condemned for the alleged witchcraft of Pablo and his own rejection of the flat earth truth.
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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #6 on: July 12, 2021, 08:11:11 PM »
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  • Yes, you're right. But I'm only in agreement with him on the ONE issue of Fr. Pfeiffer and his legitimacy.  And yes, I even agree that going Thuc-line was a bad, dangerous move that should cause Catholics to steer clear.
    Thuc-line consecrations *are* problematic, he's absolutely right about that.
    This is not about consecration without a Papal mandate. It's about Thuc-line in particular. Huge difference.

    The Carmona, Zamora, and Des Lauriers lines are unquestionably valid. Yes, Archbishop Thuc wasn’t perfect and neither was Bishop Mendez. Archbishop Lefebvre was certainly the best of all, but he wasn’t perfect either. He ordained some less than perfect individuals and I will leave it at that.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #7 on: July 12, 2021, 08:30:48 PM »
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  • The Carmona, Zamora, and Des Lauriers lines are unquestionably valid. Yes, Archbishop Thuc wasn’t perfect and neither was Bishop Mendez.

    Mmm...not so sure: It seems Rome doubted them enough to treat their priestly ordinations as invalid:

    “Finally, as regards those who have already received ordination in this illicit manner, or who will perhaps receive ordination from them, whatever about the validity of the orders, the Church does not nor shall it recognize their ordination, and as regards all juridical effects, it considers them in the state which each one had previously, and the above-mentioned penal sanctions remain in force until repentance.”

    https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docuмents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19830312_poenae-canonicae_en.html
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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #8 on: July 12, 2021, 08:33:59 PM »
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  • Mmm...not so sure: It seems Rome doubted them enough to treat their priestly ordinations as invalid:

    “Finally, as regards those who have already received ordination in this illicit manner, or who will perhaps receive ordination from them, whatever about the validity of the orders, the Church does not nor shall it recognize their ordination, and as regards all juridical effects, it considers them in the state which each one had previously, and the above-mentioned penal sanctions remain in force until repentance.”



    :facepalm: And “Rome” says the Paul VI is a saint. Yeah, I really care what the heretics in “Rome” determine. :facepalm:
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #9 on: July 12, 2021, 09:16:03 PM »
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  • :facepalm: And “Rome” says the Paul VI is a saint. Yeah, I really care what the heretics in “Rome” determine. :facepalm:


    Perhaps you will find additional causes for concern in this article (which notes Thuc not only consecrated and ordained for the sect of Palmar, but also for at least 5 schismatics, and that two weeks before consecrating des Lauriers et al, he had repented and sought absolution from Rome, continually invoked JPII during the consecration of des Lauriers et al, such that the latter had to continually interrupt Thuc, and that Thuc again repented afterwards and died in the conciliar church).

    Many other strange accounts in this lengthy article which would make me avoid him and his progeny except in danger of death:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/benedictinos.blog/2020/10/15/the-ministry-and-validity-of-mons-thuc/amp/

    You see, it ain’t just Bishop Kelly who has a problem with Thuc Consecrations.

    Interesting to learn that des Lauriers did the same thing Pfeiffer did: Scoured the world to find a bishop to consecrate him, but only ended up in a doubtful state.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #10 on: July 12, 2021, 09:18:08 PM »
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  • Just a couple of points as I see it. I think Father Burfit may be referring to Father Perez of Our Lady Help of Christians as one who has provided positions or places to act as priests. Pfeiffer and his boys were at Our Lady Help of Christians recently. I know that Father Perez does have an arrangement for his faithful to receive Confirmation at nearby SSPX chapels. With these recent events a line in the sand may have been drawn. Which side will Perez fall on? Full disclosure I don't attend any of these chapels in said area. It all can be found on good ol YouTube. Cheers.
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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #11 on: July 12, 2021, 09:36:22 PM »
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  • Perhaps you will find additional causes for concern in this article (which notes Thuc not only consecrated and ordained for the sect of Palmar, but also for at least 5 schismatics, and that two weeks before consecrating des Lauriers et al, he had repented and sought absolution from Rome, continually invoked JPII during the consecration of des Lauriers et al, such that the latter had to continually interrupt Thuc, and that Thuc again repented afterwards and died in the conciliar church).

    Many other strange accounts in this lengthy article which would make me avoid him and his progeny except in danger of death:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/benedictinos.blog/2020/10/15/the-ministry-and-validity-of-mons-thuc/amp/

    You see, it ain’t just Bishop Kelly who has a problem with Thuc Consecrations.

    Interesting to learn that des Lauriers did the same thing Pfeiffer did: Scoured the world to find a bishop to consecrate him, but only ended up in a doubtful state.

    The Church teaches that when the proper matter and form are used, the intention is presumed. What you have put forward is a negative doubt, not a positive doubt which is demonstrated in the case of the NO orders that you defend as valid. Yes, there actually is a positive doubt with the NO orders because the form WAS changed.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Thuc line is just as valid as the Lefebvre line.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #12 on: July 12, 2021, 09:42:08 PM »
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  • To be clear, I do not defend the validity of Father Pfeiffer’s “episcopal orders” as there is enough positive doubt to doubt his attempt at consecration.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2021, 09:52:11 PM »
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  • The Church teaches that when the proper matter and form are used, the intention is presumed. What you have put forward is a negative doubt, not a positive doubt which is demonstrated in the case of the NO orders that you defend as valid. Yes, there actually is a positive doubt with the NO orders because the form WAS changed.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Thuc line is just as valid as the Lefebvre line.

    If I thought there was any reasonable chance at your conversion, I would spend the time unwinding your errors.

    But as it is, I have better things to do than go another 30 pages with an ill-disposed sede.

    Have a great night!
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    Re: Fr. Burfit (SSPX) Condemns Bishop (?) Pfeiffer
    « Reply #14 on: July 12, 2021, 10:19:59 PM »
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  • If I thought there was any reasonable chance at your conversion, I would spend the time unwinding your errors.

    But as it is, I have better things to do than go another 30 pages with an ill-disposed sede.

    Have a great night!

    No problem. I’ve noticed that when you are proven wrong, which is quite often, you either retreat or resort to ad hominem attacks.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?