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Offline Kephapaulos

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Forgot to mention this on January 25
« on: January 28, 2014, 11:32:30 PM »
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  • Let us pray for repose of the soul of Fr. Gregorius Hesse, a great fighter for Catholic tradition. The anniversary of his death was eight years ago on this past January 25, the feast of the conversion of St. Paul.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Hesse



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    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    Forgot to mention this on January 25
    « Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 04:19:57 AM »
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Forgot to mention this on January 25
    « Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 10:39:02 AM »
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Forgot to mention this on January 25
    « Reply #3 on: January 29, 2014, 12:55:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: Kephapaulos
    Let us pray for repose of the soul of Fr. Gregorius Hesse, a great fighter for Catholic tradition. The anniversary of his death was eight years ago on this past January 25, the feast of the conversion of St. Paul.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Hesse



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    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/Z1M_eNeh3jg[/youtube]



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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 04:32:34 PM »
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    This is a very good video.  I'm surprised I hadn't seen it.  

    863 views today, 10+, 1-, published Nov. 13th, 2013.

    It's interesting to see Fr. Hesse make a mistake, in minute 44, where he gives an example using science and says he "cannot prove to you scientifically..."

    But science is not about proving ANYTHING.  Science is not a venue for "proof."

    Logic, mathematics, geometry -- these are isolated venues in which proof is possible.  They are narrow, self-contained "subjective" realities that examine specific aspects of abstract ideas, that are not affected by observed phenomena that may appear tomorrow for the first time, for example.

    Science entails all of nature, and it is empirical, and what is a "theorem" today can be overturned tomorrow.

    There can even be "laws" of science that may be reformed in the future.  We say that something, a scientific proposition or formula or tested hypothesis, has attained the status of "law" when it has stood for many years during which time it is challenged and not shown to be false.  But that doesn't mean that in the future some new technique or information will not be found which shows a degree of fallacy in the erstwhile "law."  Science is based on the observation of nature IRL.

    I do wish that someone had explained this to Fr. Hesse because he would have appreciated it.  This video goes a long way to pointing out how in the year 2000 even a good and diligent priest like Fr. Hesse could be under the Diabolical Deception that science is a means to PROVE anything.  He uses the phrase "prove scientifically" several times in this recording.  

    This recording was made in A.D. 2000, because at minute 59 Fr. Hesse says he was ordained in 1981 and he has been a priest for 19 years.  At the very start, the writing on the screen has:  
    "Fr. Gregory Hesse, Santa Ana, Ca, 12 Nov 00, presents Quo Primum and the Validity of the Novus Ordo Sacraments."   Apparently the "00" after "Nov" means "2000," whereas it would be customary to use an apostrophe like this:  '00 -- but in computers and software, many times apostrophes are deleted by the system and it takes a manual override to put them back in, and there are too many people doing this work who don't know what appropriate use of apostrophe is.

    At minute 1:05:00 + he gets into supplied jurisdiction, internal and external forum.

    He says the form for Confirmation has to say something about the purpose for your reception of the Holy Spirit, because we receive the Holy Ghost in every sacrament.  He gives what is said in German for Confirmation. "Receive the Holy Spirit" is insufficient, and canola oil used for anointing is insufficient, because it must be OLIVE oil (earlier, he said that Paul VI gave permission to use vegetable oil for chrism, but that is not according to the tradition of the Church, and it is therefore nonsense).  "Insufficient" means there is no sacrament.  It is invalid.  Earlier he had explained how Vat.I infallibly defined that the pope is not to make NEW revelations or to define something that is NEW.

    [Fr. Alfred Joseph Kunz taught that "Be sealed in the Holy Spirit" is the valid and licit form for Confirmation (in the new rite).  He was murdered in 1998 on March 4th.  This video was made just 2-1/2 years later.  I wonder if Fr. Hesse ever met Fr. Kunz, or if they could have discussed these questions of validity in the new sacraments.]

    1:11:00+ He talks about the SSPX episcopal consecrations.  Positive doubt is necessary before you can have sufficient reason to question the validity of sacraments or of priestly ordinations.

    Necessity of sacraments, in emergency -- Confirmation does not qualify, because it's not necessary for salvation.  Emergency applies to Baptism and Penance (Confession).

    1:27:40 Schismatic means to cut yourself off from the Church (he repeats this from earlier explained).

    The Dominical Rite has no Judica Me at the beginning, and the priest fills the chalice before he begins Mass.

    1:31:00  Gaudium et Spes #12 is blasphemy. When John XXIII said on October 11th, 1962, in the "opening speech of Vatican II," that we will no longer condemn error, at that point, Vatican II was not a council, because never before in the history of the Church has a council been convened for the purpose of NOT condemning error.

    ABL's theological opinion was that the 1962 missal was the last one that is acceptable, but Fr. Hesse's theological opinion is that you can't go beyond 1950, but he does not condemn others for having a different theological opinion.

    1:35:00 On declaring someone wrong about whether a pope is validly pope -- if I spend my life praying for a pope and when I die I find out he was not pope, NOTHING happens. But, if I spend my life NOT praying for a pope because I don't think he is pope, and then when I die I find out he WAS the pope, God might ZAP me.

    1:38:30  No one has the ability to take away your right to receive the sacraments in your own rite.

    1:40:00  Question from audience:  "What about no salvation outside the Church...(inaudible)"  Answer:  We can't talk about that today, different topic.  That has to be dealt with according to the teaching of the Church.

    1:45:00  (Regarding Cardinal Stickler) Fr. Hesse cannot answer how such a bishop can be so willing to help those who want the old forms, by providing ordinations and such in the old form, and yet, on a daily basis he continues to perform the Newchurch functions in the new forms.

    1:50:00  Condemned Synod of Pistoia (1780's) they came up with a lot of liberal proposals like what you'll see in Vat.II.  The pope only had time to say the entire synod was proscribed and not to be quoted or used.  Later, the pope wrote in 1799 line by line, in Auctorum Fidei, each of the errors of the condemned synod...  This will also have to be done with Vatican II and all the 'sacraments' that came out of Vatican II, and all the schismatic rites.  A future pope will have to say, "Vatican II was NO COUNCIL, and in addition to not having been a Council, the following quotations are to be condemned:  

    Sacrosanctum concilium 22   (Elsewhere, Fr. explains how SC 22.2 is the basis for many Vat.II errors.)
    Lumen gentium 1.. and 8.. and 15.. and 16.. and 20
    Unitatis redintegratio 3
    Dignitatis humanae 2.. and 3
    Dei verbum 8
    Gaudium et spes -- the WHOLE DOcuмENT.

    If God gives us the time, there will be a future Pope who will nullify Vat.II and the Novus Ordo, and who will censor all the lines in Vat.II that are particularly offensive to Catholic ears.

    At the end of the video, minute 1:54:40, there is the following:

    Producer:  John Maffei, P.O. Box 445, Broomall, Pa. 19008, http://www.catholiccounterpoint.com  


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    « Reply #5 on: January 29, 2014, 10:16:08 PM »
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  • May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #6 on: January 31, 2014, 10:03:23 PM »
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    It seems you also "forgot to mention this" in the thread title, too!

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