Author Topic: Forgiven (Read 855 times)

poche · « **on:** July 31, 2014, 12:13:30 AM »

Actor Kelsey Grammer told a Colorado parole board that he has forgiven the man who murdered his sister nearly 40 years ago but does not want him released from prison.

“I accept that you live with remorse every day of your life but I live with tragedy every day of my life,” Grammer, 59, told Freddie Glenn, his sister’s convicted murderer, via video conference on Tuesday.

The “Frasier” and “Cheers” star was 20-years-old when his younger sister, Karen Grammer, was abducted and stabbed to death by Glenn and others in 1975. Karen Grammer was 18 at the time.

https://gma.yahoo.com/emotional-kelsey-grammer-forgives-sisters-killer-parole-hearing-140615262--abc-news-celebrities.html?vp=1

Who have you forgiven lately?

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2014, 10:22:59 AM »

Should Catholics forgive John XXIII, who betrayed Our Lord and turned Him over to the modernists to be scourged at the pillar?

Should Catholics forgive Paul VI who was the epitome of mockery toward Our Lord by giving us the novus ordo mass and asking believers to "invent" a new image of Our Lady to suit our times?

songbird · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2014, 12:14:14 PM »

Do you forgive the devil? Glenn had remorse, which was stated and remorse reaches out for forgiveness. For those who have no remorse, we pray for the enemy, and as Christ said, Forgive them for they know NOT what they do.

My question is: If people know what they are doing and have no remorse then what? Like these popes: we pray for them, for they are an enemy. We pray for the conversion of Islam. But when people of this earth have no remorse, then accepting that they have done, is progress for the victim and supernatural help of God through the sacraments and sacramentals can bring us to know, that the devil works with blindness. Therefore, it takes time for man to say, well, God it is in your hands and I pray that I have the right attitude that you would want for me to have in the circuмstances. Prior popes may very well be in hell and our prayers can not save them at this point. Prayers for the Our Church in Crisis/ for conversion of sinners and the understanding that blindness is the work of the devil.

poche · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2014, 10:14:45 PM »

Quote from: songbird

Do you forgive the devil? Glenn had remorse, which was stated and remorse reaches out for forgiveness. For those who have no remorse, we pray for the enemy, and as Christ said, Forgive them for they know NOT what they do.

My question is: If people know what they are doing and have no remorse then what? Like these popes: we pray for them, for they are an enemy. We pray for the conversion of Islam. But when people of this earth have no remorse, then accepting that they have done, is progress for the victim and supernatural help of God through the sacraments and sacramentals can bring us to know, that the devil works with blindness. Therefore, it takes time for man to say, well, God it is in your hands and I pray that I have the right attitude that you would want for me to have in the circuмstances. Prior popes may very well be in hell and our prayers can not save them at this point. Prayers for the Our Church in Crisis/ for conversion of sinners and the understanding that blindness is the work of the devil.

When you pray the Pater Noster we say, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespassed against us." Who have you forgiven lately?

TKGS · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2014, 08:59:08 AM »

Forgiving someone who is truly penitent of a wrong committed against you does not mean that the person should no longer suffer the consequences of his evil.

Mr. Grammer is correct on this matter. He can totally forgive the killer but that doesn't mean the killer should go free today.

As for forgiving Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, Ratzinger, or Bergoglio--not one of them has ever shown one speck of remorse for the evil they've done, which was primarily an evil to God. I think it is beyond my authority to either forgive or withhold my forgiveness to any of them. I am sad because of their actions, but we (not they) must live with the consequences of their sins. They will endure the consequences of their sins either in Hell or in Purgatory (if, indeed, they ever repented before their deaths--something to which there is not one indication ever happened).

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #5 on:** August 02, 2014, 12:17:08 AM »

It seem that sodomists , perverts and pedergasts were condoned and protected
And "forgiven" while the victims were treated like criminals. Even traditional
Catholics and were kicked out of the Church like criminals.

It is up to God's people to restore all things in Christ.

Moral theology is important doctrine of the Church.