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For the Love of Mothers
« on: July 28, 2024, 05:29:15 AM »
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  • I just finished and want to highly recommend an amazing book containing the memoirs of a German Catholic Midwife, Lisbeth Burger, in the turn of the 19th-20th Century.

    "The primary interest of this work is not historical, it is educational and moral.  It contains dozens of short stories of personal, first hand experiences from the author's life regarding courtship, marriage and raising children."

    I will share a passage below from the end of the book:

    "Here lies the way to a true reform of marriage...

    A pure, happy, unselfish childhood with deliberate training of the will.

    A pure youth and a pure betrothal; inspired by a high ideal of marriage, and a deep sense of responsibility towards the coming child.

    A pure and natural mode of life in marriage, combined with a royal resolute acceptance of parenthood.

    Those are the three main foundations of a happy marriage, of a true and effectual marriage reform and of the regeneration of our people."

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6260565-all-for-the-love-of-mothers

    I think that if every family had and read a copy of this book that we might see some changes in the rates of divorces and abortions in the world.
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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #1 on: July 28, 2024, 12:53:37 PM »
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  • From the reader comments at the goodreads link, the book seems all the more to be recommended since the author apparently reached those hopeful conclusions after having seen plenty of both the good and the evil possible in this world. 

    Will add it to the list. Thank you!
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus


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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #2 on: July 28, 2024, 07:42:04 PM »
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  • A wonderful suggestion, Rita. Thankyou! I have been trying to decide on something good to read. I’m really looking forward to reading it. 
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #3 on: July 28, 2024, 08:52:09 PM »
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  • From the reader comments at the goodreads link, the book seems all the more to be recommended since the author apparently reached those hopeful conclusions after having seen plenty of both the good and the evil possible in this world.

    Will add it to the list. Thank you!
    Yes!!!  Exactly!!! 

    There are many stories of how since she lived in the town for all of her life how got to see the results of generations of good and evil effects upon children who she helped deliver and then see them in turn get married and deliver their children. 

    It was a hard book to put down!  :popcorn:
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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #4 on: July 28, 2024, 10:42:29 PM »
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  • I don't want to rain on the parade here or discourage the book from being read, because I do recall there being many good things in it when I read it myself, but there are legitimate criticisms to be made:

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/E055_Mothers.htm

    The Author You Praised Took Part
    in an Abortion

    Dear Father Sretenovic,

    I hope you don't mind that I email you directly. It is about a review you wrote for the book All for the Love of Mothers. Whilst I have always enjoyed your articles, especially the one you wrote some time ago on Humanae Vitae and its bad effect on the family, I have to disagree with your overall view of this book.

    I read the book whilst expecting one of my children and do not deny that it is very engaging to a point. However there is something I would like to point out (this is from memory, as I no longer have the book).


    lisbeth burgerThe author, Lisbeth Burger, assisted at an abortion
    The midwife, Lisbeth Burger, by her own account in the Chapter entitled "When Old Barns Burn," took part in a craniotomy. This was a method of obstetric abortion, where the child's head is crushed to easily deliver the child.

    Burger describes how she gets some Holy Water and, before the murder, she baptizes the child in utero. Burger had described earlier in the book that she had been warned by her priest never to call the particular doctor with whom she was working that day. Notwithstanding, she does call that doctor and she assists at the late term abortion.

    This was the moment at which, in considerable shock, I left the book down. Apart from this awful story, for which Burger has no remorse but rather justifies her actions because the mother's life was at risk, there are several other issues I noticed.

    Using this chapter again as an example, Burger seemed to have been able to recount with accuracy the most detailed and lurid discussions between a young man and the older woman he seduced. This was information far beyond her knowledge as an attending midwife, and tended to suggest to me a rather excitable imagination.

    In my opinion this book is a dangerous one as, amid the Catholic truths, there lies this act of savagery. The words abortion and craniotomy are not mentioned, but the action is described clearly and could lead others into following suit, thinking this was good Catholic practice.

    Perhaps if you have time you could revisit this chapter and let me know what you think? I do hope you don't mind that I bring this objection to your attention.

        God bless you and all your work,

        Mrs. J. Higgins, England


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    Fr. Sretenovic responds:

    Dear Mrs. Higgins,

    First of all, thank you very much for your kind and thoughtful response to my book review.

    What you write, especially concerning what the author describes as "perforation" in the chapter you mention, is most grave and disturbing. When I read that chapter before writing my review, in the latter stages of the book, I already had such a high opinion of the author and the book itself that it did not even occur to me that she could have actually been assisting in an abortion.

    Reading it again after receiving your note, however, there is little doubt that what you write is true. And, while I did not see it then, now I agree that the term "perforation" at times is used to describe what happens in a birth abortion.

    While the author does show some disapproval of such a procedure, it is clear that she was assisting the doctor as the doctor could not perform the whole procedure himself and the mother certainly was in no state to do so, and probably would not even if she were. The author was the "assisting nurse," so to speak, and no excuses or arguments can excuse this direct participation in such a monstrous act.

    While it is true that she did baptize the baby, and later defended herself for having done so – a bit too much one could add – this is still no excuse, as the only morally viable option in such circuмstances is to attempt a C-section birth, even if the likelihood is there of failure.

    The practice of being there to baptize the child, while good in that respect for the child, is not good for anyone else, as the mother's conscience can then be falsely appeased with the thought that, no matter the murder of the child, the baby is going to Heaven.

    This would apply as well to the midwife. It would have been better for Lisbeth, having been warned earlier in the book by her priest never to call upon that doctor, as you pointed out, to do what she could in the difficult childbirth, and otherwise allow both mother and child to die rather than risk the very real likelihood that this doctor, upon arrival, would kill the baby in the attempt to save the mother's life. This is, in fact, what happens, and from Lisbeth's own words, what she was expecting to happen when she called the doctor.

    I am sorry that I missed this as it is very misleading and seriously undermines the credibility of the author, as well as the value of the book, otherwise very good in many parts.

    As for your other objection, I would agree that there were times in which one could say that there was too much information, unnecessary details that do not help to make the point but rather make it read as a more lively story. More discretion could certainly have been shown by the author in her recounting of such situations, especially since, as you mentioned, she could not have known as much as she communicated unless she were there.

    What this does show is that there are few, if any, who have not been corrupted in some way by the poisons of Modernism and Modernity during the revolutionary process that has been going on for centuries. This is not said to excuse the author, but only to highlight that a Catholic midwife, otherwise so devoted to her work and so focused on bringing new lives into the world, was not immune from the rationalizations of a society at war with God.

    I leave it to the discretion of prospective readers whether or not, in light of what has been written here, they still want to read the book for what they can gain from it, or simply find something else better to read.

        Fr. Paul Sretenovic


    “It's easy to be a naive idealist. It's easy to be a cynical realist. It's quite another thing to have no illusions and still hold the inner flame.”
     M.-L. von Franz


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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2024, 06:20:04 AM »
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  • I don't want to rain on the parade here or discourage the book from being read, because I do recall there being many good things in it when I read it myself, but there are legitimate criticisms to be made:

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/E055_Mothers.htm

    The Author You Praised Took Part
    in an Abortion
    Having just read the book, and having no recollection of her ever taking part in an abortion but always speaking out against it I was very confused by your comment.  

    I looked back and read the section over.  I will share a couple pictures of the section here but I think that there is some confusion here because of the translation.

    My mother taught birthing classes and I am familiar with many pregnancy and birthing terms and explantions.  I believe that when "Perforation" was mentioned in the book that Lisbeth was talking about what we currently call in English "uterine rupture".  She specifically mentioned that the older woman  was not able to give birth naturally and how the lady had not listened to her advise and had made no preparation and called no doctor and that she was too advanced by the time she asked for help to have a cesarean.

    She also tried to call the Catholic doctor W- first but he was not available. 

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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2024, 08:34:05 AM »
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  • Having just read the book, and having no recollection of her ever taking part in an abortion but always speaking out against it I was very confused by your comment. 

    I looked back and read the section over.  I will share a couple pictures of the section here but I think that there is some confusion here because of the translation.

    My mother taught birthing classes and I am familiar with many pregnancy and birthing terms and explanations.  I believe that when "Perforation" was mentioned in the book that Lisbeth was talking about what we currently call in English "uterine rupture".  She specifically mentioned that the older woman  was not able to give birth naturally and how the lady had not listened to her advise and had made no preparation and called no doctor and that she was too advanced by the time she asked for help to have a cesarean.

    She also tried to call the Catholic doctor W- first but he was not available.
    Confusion in the translation is a real possibility. My German is quite rusty, but if anyone can find a German edition, I would like to see it. If it is just a mistaken reading and/or translation of the text, this is a good opportunity to clarify the meaning and help to rectify any injustice done to Miss Burger.
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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #7 on: July 30, 2024, 05:20:26 AM »
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  • Confusion in the translation is a real possibility. My German is quite rusty, but if anyone can find a German edition, I would like to see it. If it is just a mistaken reading and/or translation of the text, this is a good opportunity to clarify the meaning and help to rectify any injustice done to Miss Burger.
    I looked up several more things yesterday after reading your initial post.  Here are some facts to consider:

    #1.  "Perforation" in English translates directly to "perforation" in German. 


    #2. Perforation in the olden days (1800's - early 1900's) meant something different in regards to pregnancy than in modern times.  It was usually mentioned in connection with a ruptured uterus (this can also be caused by a modern abortion which and hence why perhaps the confusion as the word is no longer used in the same way these days):

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1978558/

    #3. "Abortion" is specifically mentioned in the book several placed but the word "perforation" is never used in connection to the abortions.

    #4. Even IF the pregnant woman herself had committed an abortion, Lisbeth had no hand in it herself and was called to the woman's house only when it was too late to save the mother and the baby and the doctor himself only confirmed her fears.  (This is easily understood by reading the picture passages which I share a couple posts above.)

    #5. Later in the book it is mentioned how during and especially after World War 1 abortions became more common.  Lisbeth because of this desired to stop being a midwife, but her parish priest told her to remain.

    I will share pictures from the book which references this.
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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #8 on: August 05, 2024, 03:57:52 PM »
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  • I looked up several more things yesterday after reading your initial post.  Here are some facts to consider:

    #1.  "Perforation" in English translates directly to "perforation" in German. 


    #2. Perforation in the olden days (1800's - early 1900's) meant something different in regards to pregnancy than in modern times.  It was usually mentioned in connection with a ruptured uterus (this can also be caused by a modern abortion which and hence why perhaps the confusion as the word is no longer used in the same way these days):

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1978558/

    #3. "Abortion" is specifically mentioned in the book several placed but the word "perforation" is never used in connection to the abortions.

    #4. Even IF the pregnant woman herself had committed an abortion, Lisbeth had no hand in it herself and was called to the woman's house only when it was too late to save the mother and the baby and the doctor himself only confirmed her fears.  (This is easily understood by reading the picture passages which I share a couple posts above.)

    #5. Later in the book it is mentioned how during and especially after World War 1 abortions became more common.  Lisbeth because of this desired to stop being a midwife, but her parish priest told her to remain.

    I will share pictures from the book which references this.

    Will you please explain why Lisbeth says this:

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    "Perforation. When Doctor M.---- pronounced the sentence of death, I said: 'Then I'll try to baptize the child before it dies.'"
    Why does she seem to equate "perforation" with "death"?


    Will you also please explain, from your understanding, what procedure the doctor goes on to perform, if not an abortion?

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    Re: For the Love of Mothers
    « Reply #9 on: August 05, 2024, 09:29:31 PM »
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  • Will you please explain why Lisbeth says this:
    Why does she seem to equate "perforation" with "death"?


    Will you also please explain, from your understanding, what procedure the doctor goes on to perform, if not an abortion?
    When the uterus is ruptured (perforation), it no longer is intact enough for labor to be completed naturally.   

    The book said that Lisbeth had feared complications for the older womam and had recommended to her to go see a doctor much earlier but she had not listened.  The normal procedure would have been to have a c-section but the book said that it was too late.

    From my understanding,  the doctor did not perform any surgery.  He merely confirmed that the uterus had holes or tears in it, likely from ripping off in a manner whereby the woman could no longer push the baby out.  The book specifically mentioned that the woman's body was not as flexible as it needed to be.  Since the baby could not be pushed out naturally and since a C-Section could not take place, there was nothing that could be done to save the baby physically (or the mother).  

    Knowing that the bodies of both would not survive, Lisbeth said, "Then I will try and baptize the baby before it dies."
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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