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Offline Tiffany

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Food Stamps reductions hitting people
« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2013, 10:27:42 AM »
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    Here's the really striking part of this article.

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    Last month, Sewell landed a job as an audio technician.
    The job paid $12 an hour, a lot less than the $25 he used to make before he was laid off.
    Sewell asked his employer to lower his wages to $9 an hour instead.
    Why? He did the math and found that $12 an hour was just enough to cause a reduction in his government benefits, and could cost him and his family its Medicaid coverage for health care.
    At the same time, the income from $12 an hour would not be enough to pay his bills, including the $900 a month he would have to pay for health insurance for his family.
    Sewell is hoping to find a job that pays enough to allow his family to get off government assistance.


    NO UPWARD MOBILITY. You either make juuuust a little more, and get SLAMMED, or you stay below the poverty line, and get help, which puts you in a better situation than making more.

    THIS IS THE DISTURBING PART of this article.


    I think one of the problems posed by heavily industrialised and urbanised societies is precisely the expectation of upward mobility, as if being a member of the middle class and affording its entertainments and well-known family model were somehow the summum bonum that all men desire.  In former times, there were intermediate social networks, communities, and bodies that were the foundation of the countryside and of village life.  There was no need for welfare benefits, which are mostly created by politicians who organise labour into a systematic animus against wealthy capitalists (who themselves do in fact impoverish their community for their own profit), since one fell back into one's established community and, frankly, had little need for money since there were few products created for consumers.  

    The only "consumer" products were luxury goods, which were digested fully by creative upper classes who could always assimilate novelties with the invention of customs and little traditions (think of coffee drinking, tea, chocolate, sugar, tobacco, etc., all of which were, prior to the dramatic XVIIIth-century increase in the volume and efficiency of long distance sea trade and European merchant marines, afforded and used almost entirely by the aristocracy and the rich of the cities).  In any case, most food was produced locally, everybody was integrated into a local community, and morality was enforced by the stoic but otherwise cheerful peasantries of Europe who remained faithful to the Church.  The resulting social stability meant that a decent life could be had within one's station as a common peasant, and there was no push to become an upwardly mobile member of the middle class in the cities.

    It was the competition between the nations that led to the wealth of the middle classes and their increase in size and influence.  And it was they who eliminated the common grazing areas and community farming systems, who enclosed the lands, who pushed for the elimination of ancient privileges (taking firewood from the royal or ducal forests, for instance), who eliminated the intermediate bodies that acted as the social glue in all regions -- and this for their own profit, the ease of their exploitation of resources, and the benefit of industry in general.  They accomplished this by amassing wealth, through lending money and by relying on Jєωιѕн loans themselves, but ultimately by the spread of their evil ideology of liberalism, which they sold to the poor along with factory wages with the slick advertising slogans of individual sovereignty, freedom, progress, and the "rights of man."


    One problem is neighborhoods not necessarily wanting gadgets or more income or upward mobility.  In many areas lower cost housing (not necessarily subsidized but rents you can pay on low wages) they are bad areas. It's not necessarily wanting materially things but wanting to not live around gangs and other lifestyles they are open about for your children to see. Materialistic suburbanites usually  have at least a  work ethic and many vices are somewhat hidden.


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    « Reply #61 on: November 21, 2013, 04:59:22 PM »
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    One problem is neighborhoods not necessarily wanting gadgets or more income or upward mobility.


    I don't understand what you mean here.

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    In many areas lower cost housing (not necessarily subsidized but rents you can pay on low wages) they are bad areas.


    Absolutely, and the reason many are forced to live and find work in these urban slums in the first place is because enclosure and industrialisation made living in the country no longer viable, destroying many traditional communities entirely.  Now the poor who are upright have none of the skills or capital necessary to relocate to the country, nor do they have others who would live nearby, nor access to the sacraments, etc.  Traditional life is not considered glamorous enough for the youth, who are taught to idolise the middle class lifestyle and the accoutrements of the city.  Likewise, the lack of skills and the inability to access resources such as firewood, common grazing lands, etc., make it incredibly difficult to even sustain a traditional countryside or small-town economy in the first place.  Divide et impera.

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    It's not necessarily wanting materially things but wanting to not live around gangs and other lifestyles they are open about for your children to see. Materialistic suburbanites usually  have at least a  work ethic and many vices are somewhat hidden.


    Materialistic suburbanites live, for the most part, completely meaningless lives glued to their entertainments and restaurants and fashions.  Their "culture" is almost entirely the product of shared devotion to sports teams, celebrities, films, music, and trends created and nurtured by large corporate marketing and publicity firms.  It's a question of availability.  Radio stations have song slots purchased by record companies, whereas few have the time or interest in learning instruments and playing them for one's family or at local festivals.  Besides, since everybody drives in the US, they can listen to music or sportscasts during their commute and then have something to discuss with their coworkers.  

    The material culture that sustains traditional camaraderie and music, of course, is long since broken apart at this point in the process anyway, so most people allow themselves to be carried by inertia into modern socialisation.  Public education of course paves the way for that, as well as the scarcity of opportunities afforded by public education for anything else but integration into the consumer culture as saecularised members of the middle class or else members of the metasticising underclass that now afflicts the West.  But the prestige of television and of institutions of national scope has a profound impact on the psychology of most.  I think a lot of people think of adherence to the "Old Latin Mass" as being such a minority position that it seems like nothing more than quirky antiquarianism.  The majority of people are too intellectually mediocre to give most serious subjects a sufficient amount of analysis, so they end up following the herd along the path of least resistance.  And the herd usually follows the position that is backed by the most powerful.  "I heard it on the news," "The US government said so," "Such and such a social change would be so radical, it will never happen; you have to just accept the way the world is," etc.

    Wealthy suburbanites have a "work ethic," but it's more of a slavish devotion to their own luxury and comfort than anything else.  In the US, the "work ethic" is backed by Anglo-Germanic Protestant social attitudes.  It existed before birth control, sure, but now that it has become unmoored from its Protestant religious foundation, it chiefly seems to be justified with strict materialist judgments.  For instance, not getting up early and being punctual means you won't be able to succeed in the merciless system; no longer are people treated as idle lowlifes because they don't have jobs as such.  Formerly both the wealthy and the poor were considered idle lowlifes by the middle class because they didn't necessarily think that their value as people was measured in their daily net productivity.  The moral justification changed but the expectation of the same practice remained.  

    Using and accepting birth control is likewise considered to be equivalent to being morally and financially responsible, not only because of the problems of having so many mouths to feed but because large families are considered to mean that there is not enough time for individual personalities and relationships to flourish.  A family will be sunk under the weight of so many children, social activities, etc.  Or they're simply awkward, besides.  The "suburban culture" fosters a hatred for anything but blind acceptance of consumerism and the placement of all religious, moral, and philosophical principles beneath the value of efficiency and the satiation of this or that concupiscible desire without which, I have heard many people argue, it is impossible to have a "good life."  The "work ethic" of suburbanites today, then, is more of a shrewd calculation whereby people glorify the process whereby they can generate enough income to go on family vacations, send their children to college, and afford a variety of stimulating entertainments and activities.  But in reality most of these people contribute nothing to the world.  They have only succeeded in becoming cogs in a machine.  Their culture is just urban detritus, not coming from the mind but being produced for their passive consumption, with which they sedate themselves into complacency.

    Sorry for the long posts.  I often use Cathinfo as a means of clarifying my own thoughts on certain matters that I believe are important to figure out.  I used to expect people to reply to my posts and comment on them but no longer do.


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    « Reply #62 on: November 21, 2013, 06:10:10 PM »
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    It sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder that colours your perceptions.


    It sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder to criticize all of my posts. :wink:

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    Sure, the rich are often arrogant and complacent, but the poor (especially today) are often envious of others, are materialistic, and act as if the world were conspiring against them, nothing is ever their fault, they will never change their circuмstances, everybody else is too proud to give them a chance, etc...


    Well consider the massive income gap between rich and poor and it will of course cause envy. And yes our economic, immigration and trade policy conspires against the working-class. As for the consumerisitic side of the poor (consumerism seems to be an American phenomenon by the way) I won't deny that a lot of the poor of today are just as bad as the rich when it comes to consumerism and many are also lazy when it comes to the welfare policy here in America that gives out free things however when it comes down between the rich and the poor the rich have little or no children and are very secular-minded while the poor have large families and are more faithful to religion.

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    As for your curious statement that these ladies have no social compulsion (did you mean "obligation" ?) to help you, they don't.  They should be praised insofar as they help the poor, the sick, orphans, widows, and so forth.  Unless they personally defrauded you of what belongs to you, they don't owe you a minute of their time or a penny from their purses.  The time and money they do give is thus praiseworthy rather than the fulfillment of a moral duty.  Show a little humility and accept their charity for what it is.


    Well I am grateful of course for the charity they give me I was just making the comment that it seems that they look at me as if I'm a welfare bum. Besides since they go to Vatican II masses the consensus here would be they aren't good Catholics. :whistleblower:

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    « Reply #63 on: December 18, 2013, 03:23:03 PM »
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  • "In their childish and vain attempt to attract the people, the modern clergy give socialist programs the function of being schemes for putting the Beatitudes into effect.

    The trick behind it consists in reducing to a collective structure external to the individual an ethical behavior that, unless it is individual and internal, is nothing.

    The modern clergy preach, in other words, that there is a social reform capable of wiping out the consequences of sin.

    From which one can deduce the pointlessness of redemption through Christ."

    -- Nicolás Gómez Dávila