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« on: December 04, 2007, 02:28:32 PM »
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  • I was just telling someone about the world, so I decided to post it here too.

    The world is TOTALLY OPPOSED to the Catholic Faith and all it stands for.
    If you fit in well with the world, rest assured that you aren't pleasing to Christ.

    I know that sounds rather harsh, but it's the naked truth.

    Our Lord (and the saints through the ages) spoke repeatedly on the battle we must wage against the WORLD, the flesh, and the devil. Notice which one is first in that phrase? Probably not an accident. Of the 3, it is the one which claims the greatest number of souls. Even those who perish by the flesh do so THROUGH the world's influence. The devil doesn't directly tempt nearly as much as protestants would have us believe. He merely keeps the "ways of the world" going according to HIS outline, and lets human beings do his dirty work.

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    « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2007, 03:39:39 PM »
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  • That's why it's so difficult trying to get those in the NO see the light. The world attracts them to much with the help of heretical and also blind Churchmen.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    « Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 03:49:28 PM »
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    « Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 03:15:46 AM »
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    That's why it's so difficult trying to get those in the NO see the light. The world attracts them to much with the help of heretical and also blind Churchmen.


    I guess you should not be too critical with the Churchmen...  We should instead pity them for they have much to suffer.

    As for the Nos' , many just don't understand the difference or meaning of the True Faith.  We should, too, be kind and considerate to them.  Praying to God that they may be enlightened and therefore be saved too...

    (Please do not take it personaly, Keph...) :cool:
    Christ on my daily round

    I pray each morn that I may not be blind
    To Christ, Who moves that day among my kind.
    I dare not turn a hungry man away,
    Lest I be leaving Him unfed today.
    I dare not slight some tattered, unclothed one,
    Lest I should fail

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    « Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 04:13:30 PM »
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  • I absolutely love this part of the Bible, because from it we get a very, very precise picture of the world OF ALL AGES (human nature never changes, nor has from the fall of Adam), as well as the black and white difference there SHOULD be between the children of the world and the just. If we do not see such a stark difference between the world and ourselves, and if the world does not treat us or say about us or do to us these things... there is more likely than not something seriously wrong with our spiritual state.

    If you never have and never intend to crack the Bible's old testament books in your lifetime... at least read this part. It is, perhaps, one of the most beneficial of it's counterparts to contemplate in this present day, because it is a good compass by which we may know where we stand in terms of being in line of the spirit of the world, or the spirit of God.

    This is the quote from the Douay Rheims Bible, courtesy of Project Gutenberg. (Incidentally, they also seem to have the old version of the Douay Rheims there, too, but this from the revised version of Challoner...):

    "1:12. Seek not death in the error of your life, neither procure ye
    destruction by the works of your hands.

    1:13. For God made not death, neither hath he pleasure in the
    destruction of the living.

    1:14. For he created all things that they might be: and he made the
    nations of the earth for health: and there is no poison of destruction
    in them, nor kingdom of hell upon the earth.

    1:15. For justice is perpetual and immortal.

    1:16. But the wicked with works and words have called it to them: and
    esteeming it a friend, have fallen away and have made a covenant with
    it: because they are worthy to be of the part thereof.

    Wisdom Chapter 2

    The vain reasonings of the wicked: their persecuting the just,
    especially the Son of God.

    2:1. For they have said, reasoning with themselves, but not right: The
    time of our life is short and tedious, and in the end of a man there is
    no remedy, and no man hath been known to have returned from hell:

    2:2. For we are born of nothing, and after this we shall be as if we had
    not been: for the breath in our nostrils is smoke: and speech a spark to
    move our heart,

    2:3. Which being put out, our body shall be ashes, and our spirit shall
    be poured abroad as soft air, and our life shall pass away as the trace
    of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, which is driven away by
    the beams of the sun, and overpowered with the heat thereof:

    2:4. And our name in time shall be forgotten, and no man shall have any
    remembrance of our works.

    2:5. For our time is as the passing of a shadow, and there is no going
    back of our end: for it is fast sealed, and no man returneth:

    2:6. Come, therefore, and let us enjoy the good things that are present,
    and let us speedily use the creatures as in youth.

    2:7. Let us fill ourselves with costly wine, and ointments: and let not
    the flower of the time pass by us.

    2:8. Let us crown ourselves with roses, before they be withered: let no
    meadow escape our riot.

    2:9. Let none of us go without his part in luxury: let us every where
    leave tokens of joy: for this is our portion, and this our lot.

    2:10. Let us oppress the poor just man, and not spare the widow, nor
    honour the ancient grey hairs of the aged.

    2:11. But let our strength be the law of justice: for that which is
    feeble is found to be nothing worth.

    2:12. Let us, therefore, lie in wait for the just, because he is not for
    our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraideth us with
    transgressions of the law, and divulgeth against us the sins of our way
    of life.

    2:13. He boasteth that he hath the knowledge of God, and calleth himself
    the son of God.

    2:14. He is become a censurer of our thoughts.

    2:15. He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like
    other men's, and his ways are very different.

    2:16. We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstaineth from our
    ways as from filthiness, and he preferreth the latter end of the just,
    and glorieth that he hath God for his father.

    2:17. Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall
    happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be.

    2:18. For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will
    deliver him from the hands of his enemies.

    2:19. Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his
    meekness, and try his patience.

    2:20. Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be
    respect had unto him by his words.

    2:21. These things they thought, and were deceived: for their own malice
    blinded them.

    2:22. And they knew not the secrets of God, nor hoped for the wages of
    justice, nor esteemed the honour of holy souls.

    2:23. For God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own
    likeness he made him.

    2:24. But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world:

    2:25. And they follow him that are of his side.

    Wisdom Chapter 3

    The happiness of the just: and the unhappiness of the wicked.

    3:1. But the souls of the just are in the hand of God, and the torment
    of death shall not touch them.

    3:2. In the sight of the unwise they seemed to die: and their departure
    was taken for misery:

    3:3. And their going away from us, for utter destruction: but they are
    in peace.

    3:4. And though in the sight of men they suffered torments, their hope
    is full of immortality.

    3:5. Afflicted in few things, in many they shall be well rewarded:
    because God hath tried them, and found them worthy of himself.

    3:6. As gold in the furnace, he hath proved them, and as a victim of a
    h0Ɩ0cαųst, he hath received them, and in time there shall be respect had
    to them.

    3:7. The just shall shine, and shall run to and fro like sparks among
    the reeds.

    3:8. They shall judge nations, and rule over people, and their Lord
    shall reign for ever.

    3:9. They that trust in him shall understand the truth: and they that
    are faithful in love, shall rest in him: for grace and peace are to his
    elect.

    3:10. But the wicked shall be punished according to their own devices:
    who have neglected the just, and have revolted from the Lord.

    3:11. For he that rejecteth wisdom, and discipline, is unhappy: and
    their hope is vain, and their labours without fruit, and their works
    unprofitable.

    3:12. Their wives are foolish, and their children wicked.

    3:13. Their offspring is cursed, for happy is the barren: and the
    undefiled, that hath not known bed in sin, she shall have fruit in the
    visitation of holy souls.

    3:14. And the eunuch, that hath not wrought iniquity with his hands, nor
    thought wicked things against God for the precious gift of faith shall
    be given to him, and a most acceptable lot in the temple of God.

    3:15. For the fruit of good labours is glorious, and the root of wisdom
    never faileth.

    3:16. But the children of adulterers shall not come to perfection, and
    the seed of the unlawful bed shall be rooted out.

    3:17. And if they live long, they shall be nothing regarded, and their
    last old age shall be without honour.

    3:18. And if they die quickly, they shall have no hope, nor speech of
    comfort in the day of trial.

    3:19. For dreadful are the ends of a wicked race.

    Wisdom Chapter 4

    The difference between the chaste and the adulterous generations: and
    between the death of the just and the wicked.

    4:1. How beautiful is the chaste generation with glory: for the memory
    thereof is immortal: because it is known both with God and with men.

    4:2. When it is present, they imitate it: and they desire it, when it
    hath withdrawn itself, and it triumpheth crowned for ever, winning the
    reward of undefiled conflicts.

    4:3. But the multiplied brood of the wicked shall not thrive, and
    bastard slips shall not take deep root, nor any fast foundation.

    4:4. And if they flourish in branches for a time, yet standing not fast,
    they shall be shaken with the wind, and through the force of winds they
    shall be rooted out.

    4:5. For the branches not being perfect, shall be broken, and their
    fruits shall be unprofitable, and sour to eat, and fit for nothing.

    4:6. For the children that are born of unlawful beds, are witnesses of
    wickedness against their parents in their trial.

    4:7. But the just man, if he be prevented with death, shall be in rest.

    4:8. For venerable old age is not that of long time, nor counted by the
    number of years: but the understanding of a man is grey hairs.

    4:9. And a spotless life is old age.

    4:10. He pleased God, and was beloved, and living among sinners, he was
    translated.

    4:11. He was taken away, lest wickedness should alter his understanding,
    or deceit beguile his soul.

    4:12. For the bewitching of vanity obscureth good things, and the
    wandering of concupiscence overturneth the innocent mind.

    4:13. Being made perfect in a short space, he fulfilled a long time.

    4:14. For his soul pleased God: therefore he hastened to bring him out
    of the midst of iniquities: but the people see this, and understand not,
    nor lay up such things in their hearts:

    4:15. That the grace of God, and his mercy is with his saints, and that
    he hath respect to his chosen.

    4:16. But the just that is dead, condemneth the wicked that are living,
    and youth soon ended, the long life of the unjust.

    4:17. For they shall see the end of the wise man, and it shall not
    understand what God hath designed for him, and why the Lord hath set him
    in safety.

    4:18. They shall see him, and shall despise him: but the Lord shall
    laugh them to scorn.

    4:19. And they shall fall after this without honour, and be a reproach
    among the dead for ever: for he shall burst them puffed up and
    speechless, and shall shake them from the foundations, and they shall be
    utterly laid waste: they shall be in sorrow, and their memory shall
    perish.

    4:20. They shall come with fear at the thought of their sins, and their
    iniquities shall stand against them to convict them.

    Wisdom Chapter 5

    The fruitless repentance of the wicked in another world: the reward of
    the just.

    5:1. Then shall the just stand with great constancy against those that
    have afflicted them, and taken away their labours.

    5:2. These seeing it, shall be troubled with terrible fear, and shall be
    amazed at the suddenness of their unexpected salvation,

    5:3. Saying within themselves, repenting, and groaning for anguish of
    spirit: These are they, whom we had sometime in derision, and for a
    parable of reproach.

    5:4. We fools esteemed their life madness, and their end without honour.


    5:5. Behold, how they are numbered among the children of God, and their
    lot is among the saints.

    5:6. Therefore we have erred from the way of truth, and the light of
    justice hath not shined unto us, and the sun of understanding hath not
    risen upon us.

    5:7. We wearied ourselves in the way of iniquity and destruction, and
    have walked through hard ways, but the way of the Lord we have not
    known.

    5:8. What hath pride profited us? or what advantage hath the boasting of
    riches brought us?

    5:9. All those things are passed away like a shadow, and like a post
    that runneth on,

    5:10. And as a ship, that passeth through the waves: whereof when it is
    gone by, the trace cannot be found nor the path of its keel in the
    waters:

    5:11. Or as when a bird flieth through the air, of the passage of which
    no mark can be found, but only the sound of the wings beating the light
    air, and parting it by the force of her flight: she moved her wings, and
    hath flown through, and there is no mark found afterwards of her way:

    5:12. Or as when an arrow is shot at a mark, the divided air quickly
    cometh together again, so that the passage thereof is not known:

    5:13. So we also being born, forthwith ceased to be: and have been able
    to shew no mark of virtue: but are consumed in our wickedness.

    5:14. Such things as these the sinners said in hell:

    5:15. For the hope of the wicked is as dust, which is blown away with
    the wind, and as a thin froth which is dispersed by the storm: and a
    smoke that is scattered abroad by the wind: and as the remembrance of a
    guest of one day that passeth by.

    5:16. But the just shall live for evermore: and their reward is with the
    Lord, and the care of them with the most High.

    5:17. Therefore shall they receive a kingdom of glory, and a crown of
    beauty at the hand of the Lord: for with his right hand he will cover
    them, and with his holy arm he will defend them.

    5:18. And his zeal will take armour, and he will arm the creature for
    the revenge of his enemies.

    5:19. He will put on justice as a breastplate, and will take true
    judgment instead of a helmet:

    5:20. He will take equity for an invincible shield:

    5:21. And he will sharpen his severe wrath for a spear, and the whole
    world shall fight with him against the unwise.

    5:22. Then shafts of lightning shall go directly from the clouds, as
    from a bow well bent, they shall be shot out, and shall fly to the mark.


    5:23. And thick hail shall be cast upon them from the stone casting
    wrath: the water of the sea shall rage against them, and the rivers
    shall run together in a terrible manner.

    5:24. A mighty wind shall stand up against them, and as a whirlwind
    shall divide them: and their iniquity shall bring all the earth to a
    desert, and wickedness shall overthrow the thrones of the mighty."


    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi


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    « Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 06:54:22 PM »
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  • "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 06:59:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: amiga
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    That's why it's so difficult trying to get those in the NO see the light. The world attracts them to much with the help of heretical and also blind Churchmen.


    I guess you should not be too critical with the Churchmen...  We should instead pity them for they have much to suffer.

    As for the Nos' , many just don't understand the difference or meaning of the True Faith.  We should, too, be kind and considerate to them.  Praying to God that they may be enlightened and therefore be saved too...

    (Please do not take it personaly, Keph...) :cool:


    Well, I don't mean that every Churchmen completely realizes what he says or does as being something disagreeable to the Catholic faith. The heresy is very much material though if not actually formal, and the blindness is most likely due to improper formation in the priesthood for many Churchmen today now. Also, there is simply the difference of understanding of the Catholic faith and the world between traditional groups like the SSPX and the Novus Ordo.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 04:40:22 AM »
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    « Reply #8 on: December 27, 2007, 09:41:49 PM »
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  • Technology is useful indeed, but we sacrifice certain things with it. For example, television as medium in and of itself is an interesting invention, yet it is open to abuse as well as having some harmful physical and psychological effects.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #9 on: December 30, 2007, 10:47:18 AM »
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  • This seems relevant, for a bit of balance:Introduction to the Devout Life, Part 3, Chapter 34

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    When to use such Amusements rightly.

    IF you would dance or play rightly, it must be done as a recreation, not as a pursuit, for a brief space of time, not so as make you unfit for other things, and even then but seldom. If it is a constant habit, recreation turns into occupation. You will ask when it is right to dance or play? The occasions on which it is right to play at questionable games are rare; ordinary games and dances may be indulged in more frequently. But let your rule be to do so chiefly when courteous consideration for others among whom you are thrown requires it, subject to prudence and discretion; for consideration towards others often sanctions things indifferent or dangerous, and turns them to good, taking away what is evil. Thus certain games of chance, bad in themselves, cease to be so to you, if you join in them merely out of a due courtesy. I have been much comforted by reading in the Life of S. Carlo Borromeo, how he joined in certain things to please the Swiss, concerning which ordinarily he was very strict; as also how S. Ignatius Loyola, when asked to play, did so. As to S. Elizabeth of Hungary, she both played and danced occasionally, when in society, without thereby hindering her devotion, which was so firmly rooted that, like the rocks of a mountain lake, it stood unmoved amid the waves and storms of pomp and vanity which it encountered.

    Great fires are fanned by the wind, but a little one is soon extinguished if left without shelter.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 30, 2007, 07:21:05 PM »
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  • Not all dances and games are in and of themselves evil, but notice St. Francis de Sales is mentioning how recreation can end up becoming occupation. It is very easy to end up picking up bad habits then if we are not careful. Sometimes one must do away with certain things depending on the individual soul.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    « Reply #11 on: January 13, 2008, 08:06:28 PM »
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    Well, if I had a choice between primitive lifestyle Catholicism and high tech secularism, I would choose the first choice.


    I’m not talking about high tech secularism here. Coming from a third world country, I know firsthand how to live in a simplest way.

    What I’m pointing out here is that I hate what most outsiders say: oh, they’re backwards as they’re traditionalists.

    Indeed, people are shocked to know that I’m a traditionalist for knowing this or that modern/stupid technology term.


    Really?  I'm shocked!   I thought we all traveled by horse and buggy.  Is it just me?   :farmer:

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    Technology is useful indeed, but we sacrifice certain things with it. For example, television as medium in and of itself is an interesting invention, yet it is open to abuse as well as having some harmful physical and psychological effects.


    not to mention also spiritual side effects.

    I am seriously not fitting in.   lol  I am pretty much shunned by everyone who is not traditional.  People get up in arms just about me dressing differently.  (I find this really odd.  Why should another person care that they never see me in jeans?)

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    « Reply #12 on: January 13, 2008, 08:15:10 PM »
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  • Horse and buggy is just fine, but, of course, not everyone has to live that way. What is most essential is holding the Catholic faith. For example, the Amish might have good natural virtues and a good way of life on earth, but sadly, they do not hold the Catholic faith.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    « Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 08:20:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Kephapaulos
    Horse and buggy is just fine, but, of course, not everyone has to live that way. What is most essential is holding the Catholic faith. For example, the Amish might have good natural virtues and a good way of life on earth, but sadly, they do not hold the Catholic faith.


    oh, yes, I agree, but I sometimes feel like people think we are primitive because we do things differently.  And, I shouldn't even say "we", because when people hear I don't have a tv, or I have no idea what the latest movie is, or they realize that I always dress in long skirts, they start to think that I'm either derranged or in a cult or something like an Amish.

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