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Re: First Experience of the TLM
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2019, 11:10:59 PM »
Yes, Poche, this was a great link you posted.  Thank you.

However, in all charity, I have to challenge your view on the TLM, since you regularly post defenses of the V2 popes, most of whom were anti-TLM (especially +JPII and +Francis).  How do you reconcile your support of anti-TLM popes while promoting the TLM?
I don't see Pope Francis as an anti TLM Pope. When he was archbishop of Buenos Aires he went out of his way to help the SSPX with the Argentine immigration, something that no North American or European bishop would do. Many of his criticisms could equally apply to frozen liberal modernists also. (aka those who are attached to the dust of their failed modernist theories.)    

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Re: First Experience of the TLM
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2019, 08:57:38 AM »
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I don't see Pope Francis as an anti TLM Pope. When he was archbishop of Buenos Aires...
His actions as an archbishop are separate from those of his papacy.  I could link to 10+ articles of his papacy where he trashes Traditionalists and where he authorized closing Trad convents and masses.  If he's not anti-TLM, then it's not possible to be such.


Re: First Experience of the TLM
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2019, 12:53:20 AM »
His actions as an archbishop are separate from those of his papacy.  I could link to 10+ articles of his papacy where he trashes Traditionalists and where he authorized closing Trad convents and masses.  If he's not anti-TLM, then it's not possible to be such.
There is more to the issue of the convent closing than what you have been told. There were allegations of sex abuse that were confirmed relating to the founder of that community. What he says critical of traditionalism can also be applied to others as well. Beware of those who live frozen in the ashes of the failed tradition of modernism.   

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Re: First Experience of the TLM
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2019, 08:23:09 AM »
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There is more to the issue of the convent closing than what you have been told.
He has closed MULTIPLE trad convents since his papacy.  You defend one particular situation while ignoring the others.

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What he says critical of traditionalism can also be applied to others as well.
No.  Criticizing a specific liturgy is not a general statement.

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Beware of those who live frozen in the ashes of the failed tradition of modernism. 
  50 years is not a tradition.  Modernism is not traditional, in any sense of the word.  +Francis still supports V2, the new mass and all things Modernistic.  What you fail to grasp is that Modernism is ever changing because it has not reached its goal yet - which is a one-world religion, where "diversity" no longer means a diversity of "catholic" liturgies (i.e. latin mass, english mass, spanish mass, charismatic mass, anglican-catholic mass, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ mass, etc), but there will be diversity of religions accepted as equal.  There is nothing Traditional about Modernism because it is all about change, and without stability there can be custom or heritage.

Re: First Experience of the TLM
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2019, 01:03:21 PM »
I don't see Pope Francis as an anti TLM Pope. When he was archbishop of Buenos Aires he went out of his way to help the SSPX with the Argentine immigration, something that no North American or European bishop would do. Many of his criticisms could equally apply to frozen liberal modernists also. (aka those who are attached to the dust of their failed modernist theories.)    
Because he's not just anti-TLM. To be against the Mass of the Council of Trent and the Mass of the Ages is to be anti-Catholic. Period.