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Offline Geremia

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Pius IX to Davis on the War of Southern Independence
« on: July 03, 2019, 05:41:27 PM »
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    • Letter of Pope Pius IX to Jefferson Davis:
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    Illustrious and honorable sir, greeting:
    We have lately received with all kindness, as was meet, the gentlemen sent by your Excellency to present to us your letter dated on the 23d of last September. We have received certainly no small pleasure in learning both from these gentlemen and from your letter the feelings of gratification and of very warm appreciation with which you, illustrious and honorable sir, were moved when you first had knowledge written in October of the preceding year to the venerable brethren, John [Hughes], archbishop of New York, and John [Odin], archbishop of New Orleans, in which we again and again urged and exhorted those venerable brethren that because of their exemplary piety and episcopal zeal they should employ their most earnest efforts, in our name also, in order that the fatal cινιℓ ωαr which had arisen in the States should end, and that the people of America might again enjoy mutual peace and concord, and love each other with mutual charity. And it has been very gratifying to us to recognize illustrious and honorable sir, that you and your people are animated by the same desire for peace and tranquillity, which we had so earnestly inculcated in our aforesaid letters to the venerable brethren above named. May it please God at the same time to make the other peoples of America and their rulers, considering seriously how cruel and how deplorable is this internecine war, would receive and embrace the counsels of peace and tranquillity. We indeed shall not cease with most fervent prayer to beseech God, the best and highest, and to implore Him to pour out the spirit of Christian love and peace upon all the people of America, and to rescue them from the great calamities with which they are afflicted. We, at the same time, beseech the God of pity to shed abroad upon you the light of His grace, and attach you to us by a perfect friendship.


    Given at Rome at St. Peter’s on the 3d December, 1863, in the eighteenth year of our pontificate.
    Illustrious and Hon. Jefferson Davis
    President of the Confederate States of America, Richmond
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    Re: Pius IX to Davis on the War of Southern Independence
    « Reply #1 on: July 03, 2019, 07:35:32 PM »
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    • I have seen a replica, or maybe it was the, crown of thorns given to Jefferson Davis by Pope Pius IX. In Beauvoir I believe.

    July 4th,1863 Vicksburg Remembered! Huzzah for Mississippi, my "adopted" home state  :)



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    Re: Pius IX to Davis on the War of Southern Independence
    « Reply #2 on: July 04, 2019, 05:58:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Kazimierz on July 03, 2019, 07:35:32 PM
    … crown of thorns given to Jefferson Davis by Pope Pius IX. …

    However attractive this yarn may be, there is no evidentiary basis for regarding it as true.

    The facts of the case, insofar as they can be docuмented, were laid out four years ago in this thread, with hyperlinks to supporting sources.
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    Re: Pius IX to Davis on the War of Southern Independence
    « Reply #3 on: July 04, 2019, 07:27:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: claudel on July 04, 2019, 05:58:19 PM
    However attractive this yarn may be, there is no evidentiary basis for regarding it as true.

    The facts of the case, insofar as they can be docuмented, were laid out four years ago in this thread, with hyperlinks to supporting sources.
    Except the fact that the artefact exists.
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    Re: Pius IX to Davis on the War of Southern Independence
    « Reply #4 on: July 04, 2019, 11:32:03 PM »
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    • Pope Pius IX arranged a meeting between Mgrs Odin and Hughes to try to see what the Catholic Church could do to mediate a peace settlement between the two warring parties, but that was not successful. 
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    Re: Pius IX to Davis on the War of Southern Independence
    « Reply #5 on: July 05, 2019, 10:46:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Kazimierz on July 04, 2019, 07:27:38 PM
    Except the fact that the artefact exists.

    So what? Its mere existence is an irrelevancy.

    What matters is its provenance—that is, whom and where it came from. That it did not come from the Vatican is now indisputable, and that that fact and others were misrepresented by Varena Davis, no matter how well intentioned she may have been, is too evident for honest men to ignore.
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