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Online Gray2023

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Re: Finding a spouse
« Reply #85 on: Yesterday at 04:53:16 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 02:33:01 PM
There really isn’t a reason to talk about the pope as much as you apparently do.  Before the invention of the TV, most Catholics never even knew what the pope looked like.  He’s not meant to be a public figure like a politician.  That’s a modern invention where the V2 church paraded John23 around in a car in parades, with him taking pictures and being the “good pope John” which the media labeled him.  But this isn’t normal.  If the pope wasn’t a scandal of epic proportions the past 60 years, the laity would barely hear of him.
Except there are different opinions on the Crisis.   People are adamantly deciding which side they are on all the time.  People have created the Crisis of don't marry somebody if they have a different opinion.   I have seen couples break up because the man was a different opinion than the girl's and the father said absolutely not.  Should that be how it is?  (I can see how daddy knows best is useful, too)  The pool of marriagable woman is small already.  Should it be made smaller by sticking to your own opinion?

It matters too me, because I would like grandchildren at some time and I am not sure how my sons will find someone.   There is not very many options at their home chapel and people don't like the idea of meet ups.  I know I should trust God and trust them that they have been formed well, but my melancholy stills goes into overdrive sometime.

And you wouldn't necessarily talk about this too the children directly, but children do sense tension in their parents.
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« Reply #86 on: Yesterday at 05:25:23 PM »
Our youngest daughter asked question on the pope when she was under 10 years old 

"If Francis is not the Pope then who is?"

We answered that there is a major crisis in the Church and that there have already been 40 anti popes in history and he will almost certainly join the list. We concluded that we don't need permission from the Pope to be perfectly Catholic. 

That was enough to explain.

Children also ask why we go to one church far away and not the one down the road. 

You cannot really avoid this conversation so be prepared.
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« Reply #87 on: Yesterday at 07:22:25 PM »
Quote from: Gray2023 on Yesterday at 04:53:16 PM
And you wouldn't necessarily talk about this too the children directly, but children do sense tension in their parents.
Anyone that spends too much time taking about the papal question is obsessive.  And I’ve met many Trads that do.  The tension felt by children with obsessive parents will apply to many other topics.  The children will not escape the tension unfortunately.  
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« Reply #88 on: Yesterday at 07:30:34 PM »
Quote from: Godefroy on Yesterday at 05:25:23 PM
Our youngest daughter asked question on the pope when she was under 10 years old

"If Francis is not the Pope then who is?"

We answered that there is a major crisis in the Church and that there have already been 40 anti popes in history and he will almost certainly join the list. We concluded that we don't need permission from the Pope to be perfectly Catholic.

That was enough to explain.

Children also ask why we go to one church far away and not the one down the road.

You cannot really avoid this conversation so be prepared.
You can explain the entire crisis in the Chruch without even mentioning the pope because the crisis is a DOCTRINAL one, with the papal crisis a secondary issue.  Thats how it was understood in the 70s, when Traditionalism started.  The entire point of Traditionalism rests on rejecting a fake gospel which contradicts doctrine.  

Im more Sede than R&R but the Sede view is NOT the historical view of 1970s Trads.  Fr Cekada (RIP) went extremeist and turned the Sede view into a priority decision of Faith.  Which it’s not.  And never has been.  

The fact that your daughter was exposed to Trads who posed the idea of the papal question shows the obsessive nature of it.  The faulty idea being “If there were a true pope in Rome, then V2 never would’ve happened.”  

That’s a false, simplistic and childish view of the crisis.  The papacy of Pius XII, with his many errors and liberalism, directly contradicts this view.  But most Sedes ignore Pius XII’s faults because they can’t rationalize their simplistic notion with the complexities of real life. 
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« Reply #89 on: Today at 03:28:16 AM »
Quote from: Godefroy on Yesterday at 05:25:23 PM
Our youngest daughter asked question on the pope when she was under 10 years old

"If Francis is not the Pope then who is?"

We answered that there is a major crisis in the Church and that there have already been 40 anti popes in history and he will almost certainly join the list. We concluded that we don't need permission from the Pope to be perfectly Catholic.

That was enough to explain.

Children also ask why we go to one church far away and not the one down the road.

You cannot really avoid this conversation so be prepared.
Thank you, that is the kind of example and input I am looking for, perhaps "I think he's not the pope, but only the Church can tell us once and for all" or something like that will have to suffice.   


Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 07:30:34 PM
You can explain the entire crisis in the Chruch without even mentioning the pope because the crisis is a DOCTRINAL one, with the papal crisis a secondary issue.  Thats how it was understood in the 70s, when Traditionalism started.  The entire point of Traditionalism rests on rejecting a fake gospel which contradicts doctrine. 

Im more Sede than R&R but the Sede view is NOT the historical view of 1970s Trads.  Fr Cekada (RIP) went extremeist and turned the Sede view into a priority decision of Faith.  Which it’s not.  And never has been. 

The fact that your daughter was exposed to Trads who posed the idea of the papal question shows the obsessive nature of it.  The faulty idea being “If there were a true pope in Rome, then V2 never would’ve happened.” 

That’s a false, simplistic and childish view of the crisis.  The papacy of Pius XII, with his many errors and liberalism, directly contradicts this view.  But most Sedes ignore Pius XII’s faults because they can’t rationalize their simplistic notion with the complexities of real life.
Noted, an overemphasis on the question of sede vacante definitely limits the networking with other Catholics. Having though some more on it, the concern was the potential risk of confusing a child, but neither will a father have the certain answers to all questions, so this may just have to be one were a father says something like my above answer or "I don't know with absolute certainty" and focus on imbuing the Faith in the children.
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