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Re: Finding a spouse
« Reply #25 on: Today at 04:13:42 PM »
It would be interesting to know how many of the 33 families were converts? And exactly what age group did this the most?

Could it be related to secular men who raised themselves because their mothers worked? 

Could you also give ideas of what you think the traditional way looks like in this day and age?  It is so easy to look at others and judge how things should be.  It is a totally different thing to try to put it into practice without an infrastructure to support it.  You have to get Fathers and Priests on the same page to cause a change.  It is sooo hard in this day and age to get people on the same page.
I mentioned it in the other thread but I don't mind repeating it.

St. Therese of Lisieux's father is the ideal. He took his daughters Celine and Therese to Rome to help them pursue their vocation and enter the Carmelite convent. Similarly, fathers with daughters who wish to marry need to directly assist them and introduce them to suitors. And it needs to be away from her friends because women are notorious for putting their peers' opinions as top priority. Father knows what is best for the family not her friends.

If you put the onus on the young men you get bitter, dejected, shells of themselves who won't trust the leaders in tradition. The fathers are more wise and experienced and command far more respect in their social circles. It doesn't make sense to put the onus on the young men and leave them to their own devices.

If you don't help find a husband for your daughter, she may end up bringing up someone you don't approve of like in the movie I mentioned. But it's far too late at that point.

Re: Finding a spouse
« Reply #26 on: Today at 04:20:15 PM »
I strongly disagree with this… etc
Those are fair points which I hadn’t considered up to this point. The cases I know from Cincinnati are cases where both sets of parents observed and approved, but maybe not all cases are like that, I don’t know. Of course in today’s world no way of finding a spouse will be perfect. An uncompromising Traditional father who will require his approval for marriage to his daughters is also very valuable now since it’s so rare.

I know Traditional Catholic or traditional-minded fathers who require their approval for young men to marry their daughters. But they’re all either lax on Traditional moral disciplines and only focus on the Faith, or are willing to kick their daughters out at 18 if they don’t go to college, or make them pay rent if they live at home. They also consider women’s college education to be very important and consider it harmful for a woman to not go to college.

I just want a way to meet more suitable young women. I would personally always try to get her father’s permission and I would make sure our courtship was done under watchful eyes. But Traditional Catholics are already so rare and Traditional young women are seemingly even rarer sadly. To me, something like a YAG would be a way to at least see maybe meet someone, though it’s far from a guarantee.


Re: Finding a spouse
« Reply #27 on: Today at 05:00:19 PM »

 consider it harmful for a woman to not go to college.

Men like this should be chastised physically in the public square for all to see.

Re: Finding a spouse
« Reply #28 on: Today at 05:02:30 PM »
I can't bring up the topic of young adult gatherings on Catholic Family Podcast because the creator and his priest friends are huge supporters of them.

Young adults gatherings only happen in a society where fathers have surrendered all authority.

I can scarcely call them men.

Re: Finding a spouse
« Reply #29 on: Today at 05:29:53 PM »
Those are fair points which I hadn’t considered up to this point. The cases I know from Cincinnati are cases where both sets of parents observed and approved, but maybe not all cases are like that, I don’t know. Of course in today’s world no way of finding a spouse will be perfect. An uncompromising Traditional father who will require his approval for marriage to his daughters is also very valuable now since it’s so rare.

I know Traditional Catholic or traditional-minded fathers who require their approval for young men to marry their daughters. But they’re all either lax on Traditional moral disciplines and only focus on the Faith, or are willing to kick their daughters out at 18 if they don’t go to college, or make them pay rent if they live at home. They also consider women’s college education to be very important and consider it harmful for a woman to not go to college.

I just want a way to meet more suitable young women. I would personally always try to get her father’s permission and I would make sure our courtship was done under watchful eyes. But Traditional Catholics are already so rare and Traditional young women are seemingly even rarer sadly. To me, something like a YAG would be a way to at least see maybe meet someone, though it’s far from a guarantewant
I sympathize with your struggles. But one should always remember it is better to not marry than to marry poorly. If you read the other thread, there was a woman who met her husband at a YAG and they ended up in a terrible marriage. Let the buyer beware. It is also good to remember that many parents could end up eternally damned if they fail to provide the proper guidance for their children.

Technically, the father does not have the right to forbid his daughter or son from marrying someone if they are the age of majority. So my use of the word "approval" is admittedly vague. The problem for the fathers is that if they wait too long to take action, their child may end up resenting them and will end up tearing the entire family apart. Then the child has no concern if their parent's approve of their spouse or not. That's not good. In the movie I mentioned earlier, the young woman was 23. That is way too late for a father to leave her to her own devices to seek out life on her own.

In my first post on the other thread, I mentioned women become unhinged outside of their homes, they huddle up with their friends, making them basically impossible to court because young men like you and I won't show approach a woman when she is with her girlfriends. But the young adult gatherings foster only those kinds of group settings making it impossible for young men to approach young women without it feeling unnatural. And if you fail to impress a girl, your reputation gets shot. And word will spread. Your face will be on the dart boards at these YAGS you have never attended.

I highly encourage you to read the other thread discussing this very in depth. My posts in the first several pages are anonymous but I'm sure you can figure out which posts are mine. I think this topic is extremely important because many priests and parents promote these gatherings as a suitable replacement for traditional courtship practices. But really it is way for them to shirk their responsibilities towards their subjects and deflect blame on the young people if the situation turns into a disaster.

https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/church-fathers-on-finding-a-husband/