Author Topic: Feelings are just feelings. Really? (Read 2683 times)

countrychurch · « **on:** December 31, 2016, 12:51:41 PM »

I have heard people say this "Feelings are just feelings.." like.. What? We are supposed to ignore them?

yeh, at your peril

It seems it is mostly men who adhere to this notion that feelings are unimportant. Well, why did God give us feelings then?

I often FEEL a presence of evil, and at that time, i PRAY. And the prayer helps immensely.

so feelings are good. And i have found i learn an awful lot about myself when i look at how i feel about this/that.

I often think that this is the reason men dont live as long as women, statistically: they suppress their feelings and anger and hurt and etc.. negative, unresolved kinds of feelings.. i believe can cause or exacerbate health concerns

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #1 on:** December 31, 2016, 01:08:11 PM »

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I often think that this is the reason men dont live as long as women, statistically: they suppress their feelings and anger and hurt and etc.. negative, unresolved kinds of feelings.. i believe can cause or exacerbate health concerns[/font]

Actually it is women who suppress feelings. Men on the other hand break a bat over someones head and that puts a quick end to "suppresion".

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2016, 01:16:48 PM »

What the OP describes is more like "female intuition" which can be correct -- but feelings are NOT a reliable indicator of anything. They might tell you, "look into this" but DO look into it -- let your head be in control, not your heart.

Be like Mike...ael the Archangel.

Your feelings aren't necessarily wrong, but they aren't necessarily right either.

I've seen too many people -- male and female, both online and offline -- who live by their feelings, with disastrous results.

There's the Traditional Catholic woman with 4 children who left her husband for an unemployed man. And MANY, many other such disasters. Advising women to always go with their feelings is about the worst advice a person could give!

Their feelings of love, excitement, pride, loyalty, piety, admiration, devotion, etc. for one priest (oh, he travels so much! He is so outnumbered, and is standing up for the truth! He is such a fighter, such a saint! etc.) lead them to YET OTHER feelings, much more negative, towards other priests and the laymen who support them: negative feelings of anger, revulsion, even hatred! And when/if they realize they made the wrong choice, there are temptations to yet OTHER FEELINGS: fear, discouragement, despair, ennui, etc.

Just remember:

We share having emotions with the ANIMALS.
We share having Intelligence/Free Will with the ANGELS.

Aim high. Use your reason, not your emotions.

Again:
Be like Mike...ael the Archangel.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2016, 01:30:05 PM »

Why is it so easy for Man to master the whole of creation?

Two reasons: Intellect and Free Will. We are capable of seeing and understanding the "why" of things, drawing connections and patterns, and reasoning.

Intellect comes from the Latin INTUS + LEGERE. Basically we read into things. But more accurately, we WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND many things. We can understand some things inside-out, where they become almost boring for us.

Virtually every creature could be manipulated, caught, tamed, and mastered thanks to our (superior) Intellect on the one hand, AND the creatures reliance upon instinct on the other. Once we figure out a creature's behavior, it becomes trivial to devise a trap to exploit that behavior.

Man can use these tactics against his fellow men as well, to gain power/money from them -- as long as those men live by their instincts and feelings. For example, the ADVERTISING INDUSTRY. Other men exploit their fellow men as well, relying on old standbys like FEAR, IGNORANCE, GREED, etc.

Look at how much money has been gained by exploiting LUST for example (literally obscene amounts!) and power as well. Look at how much power Hollywood has over us, by going into business to play to our emotions. Now they have the "ear", or rather the "heart", of billions worldwide.

The more rational you are, the less those con-man manipulation tricks work on you.

The more like an animal you are, the more emotional, the easier it is for con artists and others of dubious intent to MANIPULATE YOU for their own ends, which are anywhere from selfish all the way down to diabolically evil, and everything in between.

TKGS · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2016, 01:55:57 PM »

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There's the Traditional Catholic woman with 4 children who left her husband for....

:confused1:

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** December 31, 2016, 02:02:09 PM »

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There's the Traditional Catholic woman with 4 children who left her husband for....

:confused1:

She isn't a public figure, so I can't reveal her name on the Internet. But it's someone I encountered FIRST HAND during my decades of life on this world.

Miseremini · « **Reply #6 on:** December 31, 2016, 03:04:12 PM »

So we shouldn't feel sad, happy, joy, compasion, elation, anger, hurt etc. etc. etc.?

Even my dog expresses some feelings. I can tell by her jumping and tail wagging.

If we weren't supposed to express our feelings God wouldn't have given us tears!

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** December 31, 2016, 03:13:20 PM »

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There's the Traditional Catholic woman with 4 children who left her husband for....

:confused1:

She isn't a public figure, so I can't reveal her name on the Internet. But it's someone I encountered FIRST HAND during my decades of life on this world.

I didn't want to know who. I just question characterizing this person as a "traditional Catholic", perhaps a "former traditional Catholic."

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** December 31, 2016, 03:20:20 PM »

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So we shouldn't feel sad, happy, joy, compasion, elation, anger, hurt etc. etc. etc.?

Even my dog expresses some feelings. I can tell by her jumping and tail wagging.

If we weren't supposed to express our feelings God wouldn't have given us tears!

Uh...no. That's not what I said at all.

Emotions can be guided by reason to enrich life and the experience of being human. Our Lord was in perfect control of his emotions/lower nature, and yet He chose to "trouble Himself" and become sad when Lazarus died:

Quote from: John chapter 11

[33] Jesus, therefore, when he saw her weeping, and the Jєωs that were come with her, weeping, groaned in the spirit, and troubled himself, [34] And said: Where have you laid him? They say to him: Lord, come and see. [35] And Jesus wept.

Our Lord also became angry, with a righteous indignation (which His reason approved of, and He was in full control of Himself):

Quote from: John chapter 2

[13] And the pasch of the Jєωs was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. [14] And he found in the temple them that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting. [15] And when he had made, as it were, a scourge of little cords, he drove them all out of the temple, the sheep also and the oxen, and the money of the changers he poured out, and the tables he overthrew.

[16] And to them that sold doves he said: Take these things hence, and make not the house of my Father a house of traffic. [17] And his disciples remembered, that it was written: The zeal of thy house hath eaten me up.

He also wasn't a pushover (all mercy, no justice, soft/silly/sentimental) yet He decided that this woman was worthy and penitent, and He decided to have mercy on her.

Quote from: John chapter 8

But Jesus bowing himself down, wrote with his finger on the ground. [7] When therefore they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. [8] And again stooping down, he wrote on the ground. [9] But they hearing this, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest. And Jesus alone remained, and the woman standing in the midst. [10] Then Jesus lifting up himself, said to her: Woman, where are they that accused thee? Hath no man condemned thee?

[11] Who said: No man, Lord. And Jesus said: Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more.

Once again (as in all things), Our Lord should be a model for us. Emotions are fine, but NOT when they rule you. Your reason must "approve" of them.

That is precisely what separates Catholic mourning, from the despair and hopelessness of pagan mourning. A Catholic gives himself a certain leeway for emotions, but doesn't let himself get overwhelmed by them, or let them rule his life.

The Catholic Church, the bride of Christ, would prefer that we be SAD/contrite during Lent and then REJOICE during Eastertide. Those are both emotions.

If emotions were alcohol, we are to be SOCIAL DRINKERS, not alcoholics or puritan teetotalers. We shouldn't be selling our blood or stolen car stereos to get our next "fix".

Our Lord gave us the example on alcohol as well. He apparently consumed wine, but was neither a puritan teetotaler (being against alcohol for dogmatic reasons), nor an alcoholic.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** December 31, 2016, 03:30:49 PM »

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There's the Traditional Catholic woman with 4 children who left her husband for....

:confused1:

She isn't a public figure, so I can't reveal her name on the Internet. But it's someone I encountered FIRST HAND during my decades of life on this world.

I didn't want to know who. I just question characterizing this person as a "traditional Catholic", perhaps a "former traditional Catholic."

It is not my position to judge or excommunicate the woman.

What I said was 100% accurate. I wasn't implying anything about the present or future.

It is completely accurate to say "There is a case of a Traditional Catholic woman with 4 children who left her husband..."

Yes, she inherently becomes a BAD, LAPSED or APOSTATE by her actions, but come on!

If I said, "A man was walking along, and got killed by a speeding car."

You would quote my post and say,

"A man"? Doesn't sound too accurate to me. It sounds like he's a corpse now.

No, he WAS a living man when he walked along, before he was hit by the car. The change of his status (from living to dead) should be obvious to any reader by the second part of the sentence "killed by a speeding car".

Besides, there's a real problem with your line of reasoning. You imply that no Traditional Catholic can be an adulterer, get divorced, abuse children, commit sodomy, etc.

As soon as they do one of those things, you quickly "excommunicate" them from the world of Tradition, so they don't sully the Traditional Catholic image. Is that how it works?

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #10 on:** December 31, 2016, 04:04:13 PM »

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I often think that this is the reason men dont live as long as women, statistically: they suppress their feelings and anger and hurt and etc.. negative, unresolved kinds of feelings.. i believe can cause or exacerbate health concerns

No. The reason is because men are exposed to physical stressors much more than women, and these stressors can also effect mental stress, which then can be a further detriment to the physical health of a man. The physical stressors, alone, wear down the body over time, hence leading to ailments that, ultimately, lead to death; and they can also cut a life much more prematurely short (example: war, bridge workers, construction jobs, and other types of potentially dangerous manual labor). Men talking out their feelings wouldn't / don't alleviate any physical adversity they're facing.

countrychurch · « **Reply #11 on:** January 03, 2017, 06:05:26 PM »

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I often think that this is the reason men dont live as long as women, statistically: they suppress their feelings and anger and hurt and etc.. negative, unresolved kinds of feelings.. i believe can cause or exacerbate health concerns[/font]

Actually it is women who suppress feelings. Men on the other hand break a bat over someones head and that puts a quick end to "suppresion".

i started to laugh at this but it isn't funny hitting people w/ bats..

I think anger (and maybe its resultant violence, which some men resort to) are the ONLY

feelings men acknowledge or allow themselves.. It is mostly men who are murderers.. criminals. Sorry, that is just a fact.

But women "kill" w/ their tongues, and mostly other women... Women seem to hate ea other for the most part--something i think is very childish but...

i think of the words to a song "..acting more like children... than children" Yeh, that applies to MOST "adults" i know...

countrychurch · « **Reply #12 on:** January 03, 2017, 06:08:40 PM »

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I often think that this is the reason men dont live as long as women, statistically: they suppress their feelings and anger and hurt and etc.. negative, unresolved kinds of feelings.. i believe can cause or exacerbate health concerns

No. The reason is because men are exposed to physical stressors much more than women, and these stressors can also effect mental stress, which then can be a further detriment to the physical health of a man. The physical stressors, alone, wear down the body over time, hence leading to ailments that, ultimately, lead to death; and they can also cut a life much more prematurely short (example: war, bridge workers, construction jobs, and other types of potentially dangerous manual labor). Men talking out their feelings wouldn't / don't alleviate any physical adversity they're facing.

um.. Men who have died young who have not worked "hard" physically:

That Thicke guy in Hollywood.. Alan?

George hαɾɾιson of the Beatles

David Bowie.. although at his concerts, he did appear to be rather hard-working... still, not as hard working, presumably, as construction workers and etc..

Euel Gibbons? that was an odd story 2b sure

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2017, 03:03:44 PM »

If we want to look for a natural reason for men dying younger than women it's because of the testosterone in men's bodies. Also the double X in the women's chromosones acts as a protective backup.

David Bowie lived pretty long considering how much of a degenerate he was.

George hαɾɾιson accidentally electrocuting himself while playing the electric guitar (LOL! No, he died of cancer and was not overly young)

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2017, 05:03:57 PM »

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I often think that this is the reason men dont live as long as women, statistically: they suppress their feelings and anger and hurt and etc.. negative, unresolved kinds of feelings.. i believe can cause or exacerbate health concerns

No. The reason is because men are exposed to physical stressors much more than women, and these stressors can also effect mental stress, which then can be a further detriment to the physical health of a man. The physical stressors, alone, wear down the body over time, hence leading to ailments that, ultimately, lead to death; and they can also cut a life much more prematurely short (example: war, bridge workers, construction jobs, and other types of potentially dangerous manual labor). Men talking out their feelings wouldn't / don't alleviate any physical adversity they're facing.

um.. Men who have died young who have not worked "hard" physically:

That Thicke guy in Hollywood.. Alan?

George hαɾɾιson of the Beatles

David Bowie.. although at his concerts, he did appear to be rather hard-working... still, not as hard working, presumably, as construction workers and etc..

Euel Gibbons? that was an odd story 2b sure

Those are merely some exceptions to the rule. There are no absolutes except for God's Divine Laws.