Author Topic: Father Arrested for Making Boys Do Pushups for 30 Minutes (Read 11248 times)

Croixalist · « **Reply #40 on:** February 01, 2019, 03:34:40 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on February 01, 2019, 11:21:23 AM

Well, that's not my experience. One you fail you fail. Could you fail mid-rep? Sure. But falling to the ground from 2 feet up isn't going to injure anyone. In any case, pushups have been used as punishment by the military, by coaches, etc. since time began. I doubt that anyone's ever been hurt doing pushups to the point of muscle failure. If that guy was able to have his boys do pushups for 30 mintues straight, they now have the potential to be Olympic champions; that's an extraordinary feat.

A 30 minute period for one exercise suggests to me multiple sets of working to near failure and with each subsequent set, the cushion between an active muscle failing without injury decreases. That's taking into consideration that the proper form is used, which rapidly falls apart the closer you get to absolute failure. Then you have to take into consideration ligament and joint problems. Rotator cuff injuries are much more likely than a grade 2 muscle strain in this case but ligament and joint issues are a lot tougher to overcome and heal from than purely muscular ones. A muscle injury is still possible though. I'd be interested to know if previous untreated injuries have damaged their full range of motion and overall strength, negating the positive effects for fitness to begin with.

Remember, this was a stated punishment. Presuming the father is only using exercise as a punishment and not as a healthy routine it places the risk for injury much higher. At 5'6 and 320 lbs, I'm not sure he has any working knowledge of basic fitness. For the sake of his children I hope there isn't any lasting damage.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #41 on:** February 01, 2019, 03:59:38 PM »

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A 30 minute period for one exercise suggests to me multiple sets of working to near failure and with each subsequent set, the cushion between an active muscle failing without injury decreases. That's taking into consideration that the proper form is used, which rapidly falls apart the closer you get to absolute failure. Then you have to take into consideration ligament and joint problems. Rotator cuff injuries are much more likely than a grade 2 muscle strain in this case but ligament and joint issues are a lot tougher to overcome and heal from than purely muscular ones. A muscle injury is still possible though. I'd be interested to know if previous untreated injuries have damaged their full range of motion and overall strength, negating the positive effects for fitness to begin with.

These were teenagers. They have all the energy in the world and are in peak physical condition. Ever watch a football practice? No one's getting a rotator cuff injury from doing too many pushups at 18. Your arms give out way before your shoulders are even tired.

Croixalist · « **Reply #42 on:** February 01, 2019, 04:41:30 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 01, 2019, 03:59:38 PM

These were teenagers. They have all the energy in the world and are in peak physical condition. Ever watch a football practice? No one's getting a rotator cuff injury from doing too many pushups at 18. Your arms give out way before your shoulders are even tired.

30 minutes pushup energy? Doubtful. All teenagers are in peak condition? No. Are those boys in sports? Unknown. No teenagers get rotator cuff injuries from pushups? Under normal circuмstances I would consider it very rare. Are these normal circuмstances? No. Pushups work the shoulders and chest more than the arms. Working to failure leads to fatigue which leads to bad form, which is what results in rotator cuff issues and the like.

forlorn · « **Reply #43 on:** February 01, 2019, 05:43:45 PM »

Quote from: Croixalist on February 01, 2019, 04:41:30 PM

30 minutes pushup energy? Doubtful. All teenagers are in peak condition? No. Are those boys in sports? Unknown. No teenagers get rotator cuff injuries from pushups? Under normal circuмstances I would consider it very rare. Are these normal circuмstances? No. Pushups work the shoulders and chest more than the arms. Working to failure leads to fatigue which leads to bad form, which is what results in rotator cuff issues and the like.

Working to failure is how you improve endurance in any form of exercise. The likes of a rotator cuff injury are usually caused by poor form or muscle imbalances, and while the former is definitely much more likely when you're tired, it's not the tiredness itself causing the injury. When you hit failure in a push-up you'll just fall onto the floor. Nothing should be pulled unless you've started using poor form to try and pump out extra reps, which is the issue with forcing them to do it for 30 mins(since they'll be hitting failure many times and their form will be AWFUL by the time they finish). So I agree in the sense that the punishment was extreme in the sense that the length of the exercise was far too long and completely impractical, but the assertion that exercising to failure is bad for you is simply wrong. You should always AIM for failure or as close as possible to it to improve.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2019, 05:49:00 PM »

Quote from: Croixalist on February 01, 2019, 02:58:12 PM

Grace does build on nature, but it is not a grace to act on fallen nature first, which is precisely what godless men do when they act on almost anything.

There's nothing inherently godless about boys being "rough and tumble".

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