Thank you for the reminder, hopefully this helps us with the rules
of the Church for this time of the year. So many forget with the way
the world is today that we do not take time to notice what we need.

As part of keeping the Faith and staying Catholic during this Crisis, we Traditional Catholics need to practice obedience whenever we can.  The temptation to be "singular" (be different from everyone else) is very great among many Trads. We're so used to doing our own thing, being different from everyone around us, that we sometimes do so even when we're not supposed to.

So [...] our "no meat" day just gets moved from Friday to Thursday this week, with an extra day of fasting thrown in.

An excellent segue to the alternative day for 2015: Wednesday (which is today as I'm posting this):

By the decree of the Sacred Congregation of the Council, December 3, 1959, abstinence on the Vigil of Christmas [December 24] may, at the option of the individual, be anticipated on December 23.

Thus it seems, Rome hath spoken, albeit during the papacy of Pope John XXIII.  Considering that I'm the first to mention this accomodation in this topic, I'm left wondering whether it's "traditional" enough to be acceptable to SSPX and its adherent laity.

Making use of that 1959 decree from Rome might offer serious benefits to domestic tranquility, allowing traditional Catholics to accomodate a  meat-intensive Christmas-Eve dinner, which is the customary festive meal of Christmas as the seaon is celebrated by numerous families in the U.S.A.   Perhaps most importantly, when 1 married couple is the sole source of grandchildren for both the husband's and the wife's parents, there's a common and more-or-less effective compromise: "We'll go visit your parents for Christmas Eve, then visit my parents for Christmas Day".

Alas, many traditional Catholics already bear the burdens of memories of sensible reasons to dread family dinners that include clashes with Novus Ordo members, never mind those that're outright Protestant.  Even when family members can avoid clashes, there can be a parental guilt trip: "This might be the best Christmas-Eve turkey that your mother has ever cooked for us; surely there'd be no harm done for you to at least try a few bites of it."   Sigh.

Thus it seems, Rome hath spoken, albeit during the papacy of Pope John XXIII.  Considering that I'm the first to mention this accomodation in this topic, I'm left wondering whether it's "traditional" enough to be acceptable to SSPX and its adherent laity.

I'm surprised that no one has yet cited, nor yet linked to, any official SSPX page about "fasting & abstaining on the days appointed".  Especially odd, because I was reminding readers about a 1959 decree from the Vatican, on a Web site created for, and catering to, Catholics who use a 1962 missal from the Vatican.

For those who are not among SSPX adherents, CMRI had a page that's no longer directly accessible, although the content of the following link to it was actually able to be provided herein via the highly laudable Web Archive: <http://www.stmichaels.org/fasting-laws.shtml>:

The Traditional Catholic Faith
The Church Laws of Fast and Abstinence
The uniform norms for fast and abstinence adopted in 1951 by the bishops of the United States were somewhat modified at their November 1956 meeting. The regulations on this matter now read as follows:
Abstinence
1. Everyone over 7 years of age is bound to observe the law of abstinence.
2. Complete abstinence is to be observed on Fridays [and ....]
Fast
1. Everyone 21--59 years of age is bound to observe the law of fast.
2. The days of fast [....]

I've striven to avoid providing CMRI with an excuse to make a fuss about it's content appearing on an SSPX Resistance Web site, so to read the text that I've elided, click on the "stmichaels.org" link above.

Writing as someone who is neither an adherent of CMRI nor of SSPX, I believe that it's seriously clueless of <www.stmichaels.org> to have made its existing information on "The Traditional Catholic Faith" unavailable by breaking links from elsewhere to its own Web site, while it's (apparently) being redesigned, even recognizing that celebrating a centennial is involved.  Grrr!

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Quote from: Matthew (Dec 22, 2015, 1:11 pm)

As part of keeping the Faith and staying Catholic during this Crisis, we Traditional Catholics need to practice obedience whenever we can.  The temptation to be "singular" (be different from everyone else) is very great among many Trads. We're so used to doing our own thing, being different from everyone around us, that we sometimes do so even when we're not supposed to.

So [...] our "no meat" day just gets moved from Friday to Thursday this week, with an extra day of fasting thrown in.

An excellent segue to the alternative day for 2015: Wednesday (which is today as I'm posting this):

Quote from: www.traditio.com/cal.htm (lacking a more-direct link)

By the decree of the Sacred Congregation of the Council, December 3, 1959, abstinence on the Vigil of Christmas [December 24] may, at the option of the individual, be anticipated on December 23.

Thus it seems, Rome hath spoken, albeit during the papacy of Pope John XXIII.  Considering that I'm the first to mention this accomodation in this topic, I'm left wondering whether it's "traditional" enough to be acceptable to SSPX and its adherent laity.

Making use of that 1959 decree from Rome might offer serious benefits to domestic tranquility, allowing traditional Catholics to accomodate a  meat-intensive Christmas-Eve dinner, which is the customary festive meal of Christmas as the seaon is celebrated by numerous families in the U.S.A.   Perhaps most importantly, when 1 married couple is the sole source of grandchildren for both the husband's and the wife's parents, there's a common and more-or-less effective compromise: "We'll go visit your parents for Christmas Eve, then visit my parents for Christmas Day".

Alas, many traditional Catholics already bear the burdens of memories of sensible reasons to dread family dinners that include clashes with Novus Ordo members, never mind those that're outright Protestant.  Even when family members can avoid clashes, there can be a parental guilt trip: "This might be the best Christmas-Eve turkey that your mother has ever cooked for us; surely there'd be no harm done for you to at least try a few bites of it."   Sigh.

Or we can just observe the abstinence and eat everything else that is offered at that Christmas Eve dinner....probably the way many generations did before us.

Fortunately for us, the family Christmas Eve gathering today is Mexican-food themed and not many notice when you choose the cheese enchiladas over the beef ones... we're saved from the turkey peer-pressure this go-round.

Quote from: 2Vermont (Dec 23, 2015, 5:39 pm)

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here.  Can you summarize it in approximately 10 words?

Really?  You responded to a not-quite-30-line posting, by cluelessly fully quoting it, adding only 1 or 2 nonsubstantive lines to that?   Which leaves readers confused about whatever wording it was that confused you?

Well, please allow me to count loosely:
1: It's
2: grammatically
3: correct
4: English,
5: not
6: polytonic
7: Greek.
8: Try
9: reading
10: again.

Hey I at least responded.  And it still makes no sense.  

So we have our own Southern inspired Christmas Eve dinner of Fried fish, shrimp, oysters and hush puppies. :)

Yum!  I'd certainly endorse such a Christmas Eve dinner.

And it has the advantage of avoiding potential abstinence issues with any traditional-Catholic guests:
· who missed the opportunity to take advantage of the Vatican ruling in 1959 that allows the fast-&-abstinence obligation of the Christmas Vigil to be anticipated by 1 day 

• ; or

· who consider it, um, retroactively disqualified by being promulgated after the death of Pope Pius XII.

But I've replied to the culinary--as distinct from the religious discipline--aspects in a new topic over in the "Health and Nutrition [and Food]" forum (q.v.): "Christmas Eve '7 Fishes' for Abstinence [...]".

I was surprised that Internet searches failed to reveal any comparable topic already extant at CathInfo.

But now that I've devised & posted a list of dishes (twice 7 ! ), Advent 2015 has passed.  So maybe my new topic, gradually augmented by occasional new postings in  2016, will prove to be useful to CathInfo members for Advent next year.
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Note *: <www.traditio.com/cal.htm> (cited within this topic in my posting above on Dec 23, 2015, 3:00 pm).