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« on: February 28, 2013, 09:26:37 PM »
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  • How a Family of Four Manages to Live Well on Just $14,000 Per Year

    By Mandi Woodruff | Business Insider – Tue, Feb 26, 2013 1:33 PM EST


    Business Insider - Photo: Courtesy of Danielle Wagasky
    In the years since the recession, the median household income in the U.S. has dropped to just over $50,000, while fixed costs like health care, higher education, and housing have only soared. Now imagine trying to support a family of four on a fraction of that income.

    It's a reality that stay-at-home wife and mother of two Danielle Wagasky has lived for the last four years. And, perhaps a little surprisingly, she wouldn't have it any other way.

    Wagasky, 28, lives with her her husband, Jason, 31, and their two young children in a three-bedroom family home in Las Vegas, Nevada. While Jason, a member of the U.S. Army, completes his undergraduate studies, the family's only source of income is the $14,000 annual cost of living allowance he receives under the G.I. Bill. Despite all odds, the family has barely any credit card debt, no car payment, and no mortgage to speak of.

    Wagasky has been sharing her journey to living meaningfully and frugally on her blog, Blissful and Domestic, since 2009.

    She was kind enough to chat with BI and tell us how she makes it work.

    Wagasky finds inspiration everywhere from the library to tips from readers on her blog.


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    "My husband told me he'd heard about this book, [America's Cheapest Family Gets You Right on the Money]," she said. "We talked about it over the phone and I read it and thought how it could apply to us."

    The couple had a single savings goal in mind –– scraping together $30,000 for a downpayment on their home in their native Henderson, Nevada.

    The mindless spending was out, and Wagasky came up with a budget she could make work. "I changed the way I was grocery shopping and started working my way up, " she said.

    She stopped eating out and learned how to cook.

    Wagasky barely knew her way around a kitchen when she started her money makeover.

    Now she's an avid cookbook collector (she checks them out from libraries or asks for them as gifts to save), and it's one of the simplest ways she's managed to cutback on spending.

    With a $7 bread-maker she scored at a local thrift shop, she never spends on store bought slices. She's not shy about professing her love for wholesale stores like Costco, which is her go-to source for baking ingredients.

    Everything in the home is either hand-sewn and or made from scratch.

    "Everything must be budgeted," Wagasky wrote in a June entry on her blog. "From family outings, to toiletries to clothes purchases. It must be budgeted."

    And she takes Do-It-Yourself to the extreme. Everything from laundry soap and clothing to the kitchen her husband installed in their new home was either crafted by hand or thrifted.

    She swears by this home-made laundry detergent recipe.

    The family swapped cable for Netflix and Hulu.

    When it come to cutting costs, cable was as easy luxury to part ways with.

    With two children aged 6 and 8 to entertain, Wagasky invests $14.99 in a Netflix plan and recently added Hulu to the mix.

    The family also uses a simple antennae to pick up basic cable channels.

    She goes to the grocery store once per month, pays cash, and never goes over budget.


    REUTERS/Mario Anzuoni
    With a single source of fixed income, there's no room for impulse purchases in the Wagasky household.

    They budget $400 for groceries each month and that's it.

    "Once that $400 is gone, it is gone," she writes. "There are no extra shopping trips made because there is no more money."

    They are a cash-only household but keep a credit card for emergencies.

    Wagasky said they have no credit debt, but they do charge emergency expenses on plastic when absolutely necessary.

    "We recently had some medical bills we had to pay, and we were able to take our savings and pay those down as fast as we could," she said.

    They fill up their tanks once per month and combine errands as much as possible.


    REUTERS/Pichi Chuang
    With gas prices creeping higher each all the time, the Wagaskys watch their mileage like hawks.

    That means combining errands together and doing all they can to make one tank of gas last a month.

    "We know we don't get to drive and visit family often, so when we do we cherish it," she wrote in a blog entry.

    "We don't go just for an hour, we stay and visit and even run errands that may be close to where we have family. We try to remember that when the gas is gone...it is gone."

    They paid for both of their cars in cash and have no car payments.

    After Wagasky's husband left active duty and started school, the couple knew they would only have $14,000 per year to live on.

    So they paid off the $8,000 he owed on his truck while he was earning more and they could afford the expense.

    They also bought a van, which they saved $10,000 for initially and were able to pay the remaining $12,000 owed within a year.

    Having zero car payments is a nice relief.

    She skips all kiddie snacks in favor of healthier, cheaper DIY options.


    AP Photo/Brennan Linsley
    Like anyone with simple math skills, Wagasky was quick to realize how much cash she was wasting on prepackaged snacks for her children.

    She cut them out completely and whips up homemade granola bars and trail mix instead.

    If she can freeze food, she will.

    If you're on a tight food budget, your freezer will become your best friend.

    Wagasky chops vegetables and fruits and freezes them for a month. She actually does the same for dairy products like cheese, butter and yogurt.

    "I am able to freeze about 8 gallons of milk each month," she writes. "They sit at the bottom of my freezer and we thaw them out when we need them." Baked goods get the same chilly treatment.

    She uses a food co-op to save on fresh produce.


    REUTERS/Mario Anzuoni
    Wagasky was dubious about joining a food co-op, but after three months, she realized she would never beat the savings or quality she found.

    Food co-ops pool membership fees together in order to fund a monthly harvest that's distributed at designated pick-up points.

    A couple of times per month, Wagasky gets a basketful of in-season produce for $15 –– way better bargain than she'd ever find in stores.

    They took advantage of Nevada's declining housing market to score a cheap foreclosure.

    By the time Wagasky's husband came home from Iraq, they had managed to scrape together the $30,000 they needed for a downpayment on a home.

    "But we decided the best option would be not to have a mortgage payment at all," she said. "We found a fixer-upper that didn't have a kitchen ... and we paid cash."

    Price tag: $28,000. With the leftover cash, they were able to finish the kitchen and install wood flooring throughout the house.
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    « Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 11:31:37 PM »
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  • Amazing. And awesome.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 03:50:15 AM »
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  • Wow, I was just about to post this.

    Some of the comments are  worth reading too.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-a-family-of-four-manages-to-live-well-on-just--14-000-per-year-174803218.html

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    « Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 04:26:09 AM »
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  • Just talked to the wife, she doesn't like the idea of freezing milk, or fruits and vegetables. I think once a week to the grocery store might be more reasonable. Plus I don't see the advantage of freezing milk unless the grocery store is really far away.
    As for fruit, just eating the fruit that is in season would be a better option.

    It seems that their biggest advantage is having no mortgage and both their cars paid for.

    An excellent book for those who want a house but not the mortgage is "mortgage free" by Rob Roy. It goes into a number fo strategies from alternative building to buying a house that someone wants moved.  You can read most of it here on google books.

    http://books.google.co.kr/books?id=U8olv7h0of4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=mortgage+free+by+rob+roy&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7H8wUdeCI62OiAfo5IE4&redir_esc=y

    Rob Roy's videos are quite good too if you are interested in cordwood masonry, one of the cheapest ways to bu8ild but very labor intensive.

    SOme of his videos on cordwood masonry are here
    http://www.hometowncablenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo&Itemid=127&video_id=7569

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    « Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 06:39:38 AM »
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  • What do they do when one of them needs a lawyer, a root canal, the house underpinned or some other large expense?

    Sounds too simplistic to me.  Life throws big expenses at you now and again.

    Must be real uncomfortable in Las Vegas with no AC all summer.

    Live "well"?    :scratchchin:



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    « Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 06:52:30 AM »
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  • The article suggests they are making $1200 per month. Apparently they were making a lot more at some time in the past to afford to save enough money to not only pay off 2 vehicles and come up with $30k for a home down payment. Does everybody have that resource?

    And what about health insurance. Only works if you have a job where the employer is paying the entire premium for the family (incredibly rare) and not even an option for most unless you are on Medicaid. Then how about the gas, license, and insurance for 2 vehicles even if you park one of them. That cost has to be over 150.00 per month. Food bill for 4 even if you incredibly frugal and not suffering from malnutrition is 200 per month.  And I could keep going. It just does not add up.

    They sort of conveniently forgot to mention all those elements. The idea of living below your means is important, I live way below mine, but the sensational nature of this article sheds more heat than light how to actually pull off this self reliant strategy on a sustainable level except for very unique circuмstances and assumption of untenable risks.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 08:04:06 AM »
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  • The husband was in Iraq according to the article so i assume he made his money there. I've heard that Nevada is one of the cheapest states to live in, there is no state tax and perhaps no property tax. I while back i was trying to figure out how much I would need to live in canada again and I was in the neighbourhood of $2500 to $3000 a month. But then again if I went all out to live as cheap as possible i might be able to get it down a bit, maybe $2000.00 a month but you can't exactly go without heat in Canada in the winter, plus tax, food and gas is more expensive there.

    One publication has Nevada as second best state next to Alaska for taxes.


    "2. Nevada. Nevada doesn't impose a personal (or corporate) income tax. The state's estate tax is based on the federal estate tax (like many states, so there's nothing payable for this year), property taxes are reasonable, and sales taxes are also low. So how does this state manage to meet its expenses? Nevada's business-tax friendly climate continues to attract business (and thus, revenue) to the state. On top of that, it has the added advantage of off-loading some of its tax burden onto tourists through sales and entertainment-related taxes. Apparently, it really is true that what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas -- especially when it comes to dollars (the Strip in Vegas has been tagged as one of the top tourist destinations in the U.S.)."

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    « Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 09:31:41 AM »
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  • So basically what the article says is that you can live on a $14000 dollar a year budget if you have free medical insurance cover paid for by Uncle Sam, have two children, live in a desert, fund your major purchases like cars and houses before hand, and live in a state where your municipal and state taxes are heavily subsidised thanks to gambling and prostitution.

    I accept that.

    Not very useful for Trads though, is it?


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    « Reply #8 on: March 01, 2013, 11:41:18 AM »
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  • Dear Matthew,
    Thank you for posting the article which is in the original post of this thread.

    The family in the article may be Catholic, because they have a name which sounds like it could be Polish.
    Perhaps, that is where they get their thrift from.
    The article gives an important example from real life which shows that people do not have to live on credit cards.
    People can actually just live normal lives.
    They can live within their means, as their ancestors did.
    We are all being led into debt.
    People are greedily trying to live beyond their means.
    Often usury is involved.
    Usury is a very serious sin.


    It is important that we understand that it is possible to live well, on little.
    Greed and avarice are often the cause of the ruin of souls.





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    « Reply #9 on: March 01, 2013, 11:50:38 AM »
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  • There's no law that says you can't front-load your expenses to the beginning of your life.

    In fact, that's an important strategy that Trads who want to be married should pursue. Start establishing your household NOW. Start paying off a house. Stock up on furniture, equipment, and supplies.

    Buy a decent car as soon as you have the money -- while you're a single teen or young adult.

    My wife bought a brand-new PT Cruiser in 2001 while she was single. We used this for our family car until a few years ago. It fit 5 people, including 3 in car seats. She had it paid off too -- before we even met. So we started out married life with no car payment. Thank God my wife was so practical, even as a single woman.

    Actually, since the car was bought new, it STILL runs well even today. We kept it for non-family trips. Why drive the gas-guzzler if just mom or dad is going shopping?

    She also bought a nice queen-size bed, 5-drawer dresser, kitchen table & chairs, a computer desk, a computer, and some used living room furniture. All of which we STILL use today, except for the computer. (I, on the other hand, was an ex-seminarian who had purged most of my "material things", so I just brought my debt-free self -- with computer programming talent and an OK paying job in that field -- to the marriage)

    My wife even had a 401K that was approximately equal to her student loan debt. So we took care of that, and canceled the two out.

    Early in your marriage, when you have less children, you might have more time for work and/or inconveniences to save money. That's what we did. I did a lot more "paid work" and we bought things during those years that we still use today. My wife got into Extreme Couponing (before we had children old enough to homeschool) and bought a lot of toiletries that we have yet to exhaust, several years later.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 01, 2013, 12:02:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    The article suggests they are making $1200 per month. Apparently they were making a lot more at some time in the past to afford to save enough money to not only pay off 2 vehicles and come up with $30k for a home down payment. Does everybody have that resource?

    And what about health insurance. Only works if you have a job where the employer is paying the entire premium for the family (incredibly rare) and not even an option for most unless you are on Medicaid. Then how about the gas, license, and insurance for 2 vehicles even if you park one of them. That cost has to be over 150.00 per month. Food bill for 4 even if you incredibly frugal and not suffering from malnutrition is 200 per month.  And I could keep going. It just does not add up.

    They sort of conveniently forgot to mention all those elements. The idea of living below your means is important, I live way below mine, but the sensational nature of this article sheds more heat than light how to actually pull off this self reliant strategy on a sustainable level except for very unique circuмstances and assumption of untenable risks.


    Yes, everyone has that resource. It's called "youth" and "the time before you're married".

    Young singles shouldn't act like they're on a perpetual vacation, with every dollar in their pocket just another token to spend on some game at Chuck-E-Cheese or an amusement park.

    Singles should be as mature and thrifty as thirtysomethings with multiple children. Why not?

    And another point should be brought up -- if you qualify for government programs, why not take advantage of them?

    Should the "government's money" only be used to make more criminals? How about we get a few more well-behaved Traditional Catholics with 2 parents out of the deal?

    It's not like welfare programs are going to go away. When they do, fine. And you *certainly* can't vote for someone like Obama because he promises you more government cheese -- unless you want to commit a grave mortal sin. But until they do close all social welfare programs -- "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", I say.

    Besides, there are countless things working *against* big families today. If having that big family actually HELPS you get by, why not take the good with all the bad?
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    « Reply #11 on: March 01, 2013, 12:04:05 PM »
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  • It is necessary for people to have the same Catholic priorities that Catholics of former centuries had.
    The number one priority should be: the Faith.
    Very high on the list of priorities, should be the family.
    People should work for, and deserve, the things that they want.
    A society where agnostics are extolling the idea that people should just gratify their immediate desires, is a society which has failed.





    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
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    « Reply #12 on: March 01, 2013, 12:17:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew

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    Yes, everyone has that resource. It's called "youth" and "the time before you're married".

    Young singles shouldn't act like they're on a perpetual vacation, with every dollar in their pocket just another token to spend on some game at Chuck-E-Cheese or an amusement park.

    Singles should be as mature and thrifty as thirtysomethings with multiple children. Why not?

    ...


    Yes. Exactly.
    Thrift, and a modest lifestyle.
    They are so vital, and yet so under-rated.
    People need to be thrifty, and they need to not allow materialistic aspirations to ruin their spiritual lives.





    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
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    « Reply #13 on: March 01, 2013, 08:23:59 PM »
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  • This man EARNED his GI Bill with military service. I'm pretty sure this means he'd still have his military (Tri-care I think) insurance for his family. This is not Medicaid, but an EARNED benefit. And the article stated a monthly food budget of $400.  Most likely they have auto and homeowners insurance via USAA, which is a lot less than any we've ever run across in multiple states.
    Milk freezes just fine, thaw it on the counter, shake it up and you'd never know. Every way of saving money isn't for everybody, but I always like to learn new ways, it all adds up in the end. I think it's a doable proposition, maybe not by me... but I'm not in the position to have to want/need to.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 01, 2013, 09:15:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Tx2Step
    Every way of saving money isn't for everybody, but I always like to learn new ways, it all adds up in the end.


    I completely agree. Also, sometimes there are ideas that may not work for you right now, but might in the future.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson