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Offline Matthew

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Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2021, 02:24:00 PM »
There’s no comparison between Marshall and Vigano.

And regarding the latter, he has made contributions toward the recovery of the Church which nobody else has done, such as explaining how Vatican II may not even be a true ecuмenical council (the implication being that it could all be flushed down the toilet tomorrow without doing any injury to the corpus of Catholic doctrine).
I have to agree with Sean here. At least +Vigano is a cleric, and a prelate. He is deserving of Catholics' attention. Also, he knows much more, has said much more, and has done much more good for the Church than Marshall. 
A lot of +Vigano's letters and writings sounds like +ABL or +Williamson at times.  He seems to really know what's going on. Maybe he'll become more like +ABL with time, who knows.
I wouldn't put +Vigano on the same level as +ABL, +Williamson, or the other Resistance bishops -- but I'd put him above all the lay talking head personalities in the Blogosphere.

Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2021, 03:44:00 PM »
all the lay talking head personalities in the Blogosphere.
I don't know, nor do I care, who these people are.
One less thing to be bothered about.


Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2021, 05:49:16 AM »
“All the evil in the world is because of lukewarm Catholics” St. Pope Pius X.

The biggest problem with Catholicism is that  priests and bishops were put up on a pedestal even when they committed mortal sin.  And they are put on a pedestal.  Independent chapels are being targeted by men who should be in prison ( or psych ward) instead of priests and bishops.  The laity for many years are accomplice to sin.  Most Catholics don’t know their faith and aren’t living the faith thanks to shepherds even in traditional circles.  Over the years the Jehovah witnesses were knocking at the doors but never any traditional Catholic clergy or laity.  How do you think we ended up with a “Catholic” President of the USA?  No traditional bishop or Vatican II bishop and very few clergy speak out against pride month, the vaxx,


The only hero we should have is Jesus.  We worship him.  


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2021, 07:07:18 AM »
Well, the saints all eschewed fame and fled from it.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2021, 07:15:11 AM »
Outside of Tradition, it speaks to the total vacuum of truth/catholicity.  Guys like Marshall or +Vigano come out of nowhere and play Captain Obvious for 5 minutes and they are applauded as the 2nd coming of St Pius X.

There's more to +Vigano than captain obvious.  We had +Fellay claiming that 95% of Vatican II is acceptable, and +Vigano (coming from the Conciliar Church) CREDIBLY argues that the entire thing is contaminated and unacceptable.  Apart from the Resistance and SVs, he's the only voice out there asserting that V2 is radically defective.  And he makes a compelling case.  He's articulated that case better than anyone else I've read in the Traditional movement.  He's also in a unique position of being able to do a lot of good because of his perceived authority and his credibility.  He's being persuasive even to the conservative wing of the Novus Ordo because of his unique position.  Those types will not listen to a Bishop Williamson or the Resistance priests, much less the sedevacantists, but +Vigano has gotten their attention.  Perhaps he can help shake them out of their "hermeneutic of continuity" mindset regarding Vatican II.  That approach is actually the chief obstacle to people becoming Traditional Catholic.