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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2021, 02:36:00 PM »

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Do you work for free?

Taylor has a large family to support. If he cared about money, he could use his PhD to teach at a university. Or he could have remained Episcopalian and been financially comfortable.


At the root of some, not all, of these attacks on Marshall there appears to be a great deal of envy. To those who are green with envy I say, if what he has done is so easy, just do it yourself.

You've totally missed my point.

Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2021, 02:39:04 PM »
:facepalm:  We're talking about a catholic country, with catholic politicians or even a Catholic King.  Obviously, an anti-catholic society won't defend Catholic truth.

Exactly right.  Now let's take this one step further.   

If a non-Catholic country, which will almost always be an anti-catholic country, does not have the right to suppress false religions or religious errors, does that not result in the citizens of this anti-Catholic country having a negative civil right not to be prohibited from practicing a false religion and/or spreading religious errors? 

We all agree that no one has a moral right "to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall considers true," (Syllabus of Pius IX), but if the civil authority in an anti-Catholic country is not permitted to suppress religious errors, it follows logically that the citizens of that non-Catholic country will have the civil right not to be prohibited from committing that particular evil.  Do you agree?  



Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2021, 02:44:23 PM »
At the root of some, not all, of these attacks on Marshall there appears to be a great deal of envy. To those who are green with envy I say, if what he has done is so easy, just do it yourself.
I don't envy Marshall because I don't think he is the real deal. I think he is chosen for us because I have not seen Marshall step on all the third rails like Bishop Williamson does. He comes across as a normie.

Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2021, 02:56:25 PM »
My comment was not a slight towards +Vigano, just an observation on how quickly he rose to stardom in the lack of truth-speakers of indult-land.
He had a perfectly reasonable resume before he was catapulted into the limelight. We can only wonder, because 1960-70 is not fresh in any of our memories, how the events leading up to his fame are comparable to the events that led to Lefebvre being a (Catholic) household name. For many of us the first time we heard his name was in the reports of the consecrations and not even the work he was doing the previous +20 years. 
There is certainly something of the world about Vigano. Would he have spoken out if Francis named him a cardinal and gave him a nicer assignment ... maybe not but then again maybe that's why the Holy Spirit allowed Francis to do that. Are he and Marshall bringing souls to Christ through the Catholic faith? Are any of us even qualified to make that judgement. 
I would say no, we're not qualified. 

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Fame should be deserved
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2021, 03:05:39 PM »

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If a non-Catholic country, which will almost always be an anti-catholic country, does not have the right to suppress false religions or religious errors, does that not result in the citizens of this anti-Catholic country having a negative civil right not to be prohibited from practicing a false religion and/or spreading religious errors? 

We all agree that no one has a moral right "to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall considers true," (Syllabus of Pius IX), but if the civil authority in an anti-Catholic country is not permitted to suppress religious errors, it follows logically that the citizens of that non-Catholic country will have the civil right not to be prohibited from committing that particular evil.  Do you agree?
I don't follow.  I don't see how you can mix-match moral obligations with civil rights.  Outside of a catholic society, civil rights/laws don't have anything to do with morality.