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Offline Last Tradhican

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Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
« on: May 14, 2017, 03:59:33 AM »
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  • I am from a Catholic culture, Spanish, every single family member going back like forever was baptized into the Church as an infant. On the other hand, few lived a Catholic life, 8 out of 10 were fallen away Catholics, specially the men, and the few that went to mass, only went to "punch in their cards" on Sundays, and not every Sunday at that. A serious Catholic? I doubt there were more than 10 among 300. Most of them received the priest at heir deathbed or close to it. Whether they did a good confession or not only God knows. From my experience in Spain, Latin America, Italy, and France what I described was the "standard" of Catholic countries, and basically only a few old ladies lived the Catholic life. Baptized as infants "Catholics" when they could decide for themselves either went to punch in their cards on Sunday, or became fallen away Catholics. One thing was a certain, no one became a Protestant. To a fallen away Catholic, Protestantism was moronic, if one is going to hell for their sins, one might as well enjoy themselves in sin. They knew that devout Protestants were just fools going to hell without ever enjoying life on earth.

    Fast forward to today. The "devout" family members have all become Protestants or New Age religions. They speak to you about Scripture, and God, and the sinning world. I NEVER heard anyone in my family speak about religion before. They are all divorced, or their children are a disaster, divorced, fornicating and worse. But they are "religous".

    What i just described is happening all over South America. It is the template of what has become of the Vatican II church statistical 1 billion baptized Catholics throughout the world. 

    What brought this about? It is one thing, the Vatican II church legitimized all religions. The Vatican II church in practice told Catholics that they did not need to belong to the Catholic Church and LIVE a REAL Catholic life to be saved, that anyone that everyone who is "religious" will  be saved. The Vatican II church is no different than any Protestant church, so, the Catholics joined one of the other churches or religions.  
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 04:12:45 AM »
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  • The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #2 on: May 14, 2017, 04:19:22 AM »
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  • 10And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.  11Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: 12That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. (2 Thes 2)
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #3 on: May 14, 2017, 05:39:37 AM »
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  • The Vatican II church in practice told Catholics that they did not need to belong to the Catholic Church and LIVE a REAL Catholic life to be saved, that anyone that everyone who is "religious" will  be saved.
    This is essentially the current crisis summarized in one sentence. According to Vatican II church all sincere people who follow their conscience will go to Heaven, and while being Catholic gives you some extra advantages, it is in no way essential to salvation. It reminds me of a quote from "Catholicism Answer Book" (a heretical Novus Ordo book which Dimond brothers excellently exposed in their material):

    "Many good Protestants, Jєωs, and other non-Catholics can and do get to heaven by living good moral lives and trying to conform to the will of God; they just do not know what they were missing."

    This is what Novus Ordo believes. If you are not a Catholic you miss on some special graces, but you can still be saved in any religion. This was explicitly, word-for-word condemned by Pope Gregory XVI in Mirari Vos (1832):

    "This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained."

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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2017, 01:01:25 PM »
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  • "Many good Protestants, Jєωs, and other non-Catholics can and do get to heaven by living good moral lives and trying to conform to the will of God; they just do not know what they were missing."

    This is what Novus Ordo believes. 
    There "pope" doesn't even think one needs to live a "good moral life".  One can be a committed abortionist, adulterer, or sodomite...as long as one is nice, is good to the "poor and marginalized" (whatever that means), and is environmentally responsible (and most of this is probably negotiable depending on when he's talking) and one can get to heaven.


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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #5 on: May 14, 2017, 03:24:34 PM »
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  • There "pope" doesn't even think one needs to live a "good moral life".  One can be a committed abortionist, adulterer, or sodomite...as long as one is nice, is good to the "poor and marginalized" (whatever that means), and is environmentally responsible (and most of this is probably negotiable depending on when he's talking) and one can get to heaven.
    Very good point, and that is also exactly what the world believes, what EVERYONE believes today, through mass media brainwashing (the devil).  The Vatican II religion is lock step with the media assisting souls to hell. 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2017, 03:30:58 PM »
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  • 10And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.  11Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: 12That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. (2 Thes 2)
    And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth (because they would not listen to the truth even if God brought one of their relatives back from the dead to tell them the truth) , that they might be saved.  11Therefore God shall send them the operation of error (the Vatican II church), to believe lying: 12That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. (2 Thes 2)

    I say that the Vatican II church assists souls to hell because it does not send them to hell, they send themselves. The Vatican II church assists them on their path by telling them that they are good where they are, in whatever sin.

    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #7 on: May 14, 2017, 03:38:42 PM »
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  • 13You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men (Mat 5)

    If your priest is not yelling these things from the roof tops that we are barely scratching the surface here, he has lost his savor, he has lost the very purpose for which he was put on this earth, he is good for nothing!

    St. John Chrysostom, sometime Patriarch of Constantinople:
     
    “I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think, I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties therein.
     
    Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail”. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles) 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #8 on: May 15, 2017, 03:55:35 PM »
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  • What does this have to do with "Catholic Living in the Modern World" if anything it should be in the Crisis Forum. 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Fallen Away Catholics become "Devout" Protestants
    « Reply #9 on: May 30, 2017, 05:26:04 AM »
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  • In Ireland protestant sects including those from Brasil are quite active. A few days ago a young novus ordo priest was saying that the Catholics of Ireland need to be more active and vocal in the defence of the faith.

    I reading this earlier from another forum quite hostile to Cath Info. Ironically many who find the views of Cath Info 'extreme' are wising up regarding the novus ordo Bishops and the general crisis. The tragedy is years too late. An interesting snippet regarding Ireland.

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    It seems we now live in a land where a minority, willing to shout loudly in the public forum, can determine the future shape of key sections of our society. The worry, in such a society, is what now (if no longer the Christian/Catholic ethos) is motivating those few who are shaping our society now? They too will, in future, be called to task for the consequences of their tenure as the self-appointed guardians of Irish society.

    Dr. Boylan has had to work under the ethos of Catholic hospitals in the past, and his continuing public utterances are doing nothing to counter the perception that this is driven by nothing more than base vindictiveness and his own controlling ideology (i.e. the nuns must be removed from any controlling representation at all costs, and the medical professional given that control.)

    What is it, one has to ask, that was so awful about the nun's ethos, so deleterious to Irish healthcare in the past, and yet will be so superior in the hands of current/future medical professionals alone?

    Future generations, unfortunately, will now have to personally discover the answer to that.