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Offline de Lugo

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Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
« on: December 06, 2022, 11:42:48 AM »
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    • I was rather surprised to see this on LifeSiteNews, but I notice they have lurched significantly to the right ever since Msgr. Vigano began discrediting the conciliare church: 

    "New forensic files expose fake Sr. Lucy of Fatima?
    A new compilation of forensic analysis and anecdotal evidence now being exposed suggest that the original Sr. Lucy of Fatima was replaced by a double -- that is to say an imposter -- by the Shadow Church."

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/episodes/new-forensic-files-expose-fake-sr-lucy-of-fatima/?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=catholic 
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2022, 02:51:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on December 06, 2022, 11:42:48 AM
    I was rather surprised to see this on LifeSiteNews, but I notice they have lurched significantly to the right ever since Msgr. Vigano began discrediting the conciliare church:

    "New forensic files expose fake Sr. Lucy of Fatima?
    A new compilation of forensic analysis and anecdotal evidence now being exposed suggest that the original Sr. Lucy of Fatima was replaced by a double -- that is to say an imposter -- by the Shadow Church."

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/episodes/new-forensic-files-expose-fake-sr-lucy-of-fatima/?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=catholic

    With the advent of modern forensic techniques, and ways to digitize and analyze photographs, it should be very easy to prove, one way or the other, the truth about the Sister Lucia situation.  I would welcome this.  If Lucia was indeed replaced (and, if so, what happened to her?), this could go a long way into jarring loose the mentality of "the post-V2 Church would never mislead us" among conservative Novus Ordo zealots.
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #2 on: December 06, 2022, 04:57:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 06, 2022, 02:51:31 PM
    With the advent of modern forensic techniques, and ways to digitize and analyze photographs, it should be very easy to prove, one way or the other, the truth about the Sister Lucia situation.  I would welcome this.  If Lucia was indeed replaced (and, if so, what happened to her?), this could go a long way into jarring loose the mentality of "the post-V2 Church would never mislead us" among conservative Novus Ordo zealots.

    I wish that were true, but we are warned by 2 Thess 2:10-11 that the love of truth is essential, otherwise God will send "the operation of error to believe lying."

    How many people in the (((Novus Ordo))) love truth? I don't know, but it sure appears that a huge portion prefer having their itchy ears (and their privates!) tickled far more than they love the truth.

    Even true, it seems for secular matters. No wonder that Jesus asked rhetorically at Luke 18:8 if He will find the Faith when He returns.

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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #3 on: December 06, 2022, 04:59:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 06, 2022, 02:51:31 PM
    With the advent of modern forensic techniques, and ways to digitize and analyze photographs, it should be very easy to prove, one way or the other, the truth about the Sister Lucia situation.


    Yes, and it was. It is not physically possible for all the women in the photos to be the same woman. I was just listening to the interview. Apparently the last photograph of the real Sister Lucy was taken in the early 50s, after which there are no photos or videos of her until 1967, when the imposter appeared and met with Paul VI. Interesting that he also said that there was only ever one imposter, so there are only two, and no more, Sister Lucys, the real one and one faker.

    He also said that the faker had an accent that sounds like it comes from 100 miles north of Fatima, from a suburban culture. He is trying to investigate in that area to identify who the imposter is.

    Very, very interesting video.
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2022, 05:01:06 PM »
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    • It isn’t just the h0Ɩ0h0αxers who fake photos.






     



    The official (faked) photos from Voz da Fátima magazine, May 13, 1967, including close-up of altered hands

    “… We thank a reader for this creepy close-up of Paul VI's hand which is from the cut and paste photo of a non-event. Even [though] the fake Sister Lucy was at Fatima on May 13, 1967, people were allowed to see very little of her during this event because, well, it wasn’t actually ‘her.’ We have shown in the past how this picture with Paul VI has the fake Sister Lucy cut and pasted in — over a television camera. With this close up of the hands of Paul VI, we can see that his ring finger and his middle finger are both squared and ridiculously narrow at their base. If you look at his thumb on his left hand, you can see a black inserted background which separates the thumb from what should the white part of the habit of the cut and pasted ‘Sister Lucy.’ …”


    Newly-Released Video Footage From 1946 Shows the Real Sister Lucy Visiting Fatima Again for the First and, Presumably, Last Time Since 1921

    Irmã Lúcia em Fátima
    docuмentação inédita do Núcleo Audiovisual do Arquivo do Santuário de Fátima
    Sister Lúcia in Fátima
    unpublished docuмentation from the Audiovisual Nucleus of the Archive of the Sanctuary of Fátima


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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2022, 05:33:02 PM »
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    • I don't think that's convincing at all, though. I don't see anything weird about Montini's fingers, definitely nothing that can't simply be due to lighting and angle.

    And just because the newspaper published a photo in which Lucy was pasted in doesn't mean a whole lot except that newspapers tamper with photos, which is not exactly news.

    In my mind, the real evidence is in the forensic analysis of the face and other things.
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #6 on: December 06, 2022, 05:47:59 PM »
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    • Return to Tradition with Anthony Stine also had Dr Chornowski (sp) on earlier this week. He reaches the conservative NO Catholic/ FSSP audience, so Fake Sister Lucy is getting some notice. Thank Goodness.
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #7 on: December 06, 2022, 07:28:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on December 06, 2022, 05:33:02 PM
    I don't think that's convincing at all, though. I don't see anything weird about Montini's fingers, definitely nothing that can't simply be due to lighting and angle.

    And just because the newspaper published a photo in which Lucy was pasted in doesn't mean a whole lot except that newspapers tamper with photos, which is not exactly news.

    In my mind, the real evidence is in the forensic analysis of the face and other things.

    Table for 1, name: Invincibly Unconvincible

    Even for the days of silver halide negatives that was an awful fake.
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #8 on: December 06, 2022, 10:08:28 PM »
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    • Granted, people's appearances can change with age --- mine certainly has --- but it still looks awfully fishy.

    I have a certain amount of "face blindness" --- don't know what caused it, it's come on in the past few years, and, yes, it is an equal-opportunity thing, I experience it with Europeans, Africans, Asians, and everyone else --- so I've developed the habit of studying people's facial features, things like eyebrows, ears, noses, and so on.  When something is a little "off", I pick up on it.  It's a compensation strategy.  At my son's former school, many of the "soccer moms" looked exactly alike to me.  And on college campuses, many of the coeds are basically (no pun intended) clones of each other.
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #9 on: December 06, 2022, 10:09:38 PM »
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    • If, as Dr. Peter C. says, a fake Lucy emerged in 1967, why would a fake Lucy declare on the eve of jp2's 1984 Consecration, almost 20 years later, that his Consecration did not satisfy the instructions of Our Lady?  Are we to assume that both the fake Lucy and the real Lucy were alive at the same time?
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #10 on: December 06, 2022, 11:52:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on December 06, 2022, 10:09:38 PM
    If, as Dr. Peter C. says, a fake Lucy emerged in 1967, why would a fake Lucy declare on the eve of jp2's 1984 Consecration, almost 20 years later, that his Consecration did not satisfy the instructions of Our Lady?  Are we to assume that both the fake Lucy and the real Lucy were alive at the same time?
    Fake Sister Lucy ll said the 1984 consecration was “accepted by heaven”

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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #11 on: December 07, 2022, 12:10:48 PM »
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    Fake Sister Lucy ll said the 1984 consecration was “accepted by heaven”
    That may be true.  But the 'real Lucy' is reported to have said otherwise.  On page 224 of Mark Fellow's book, Fatima in Twilight, the authentic Lucy affirmed that the 1984 Consecration would not have a "decisive character," because once again Russia was not menioned (by name.)
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #12 on: December 07, 2022, 12:20:03 PM »
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    • Yes of course- the fake Sister Lucy was brought in to validate Vll apostasy and to defraud the true Fatima message. The fake Sr is a major player in the worldwide global "reset" that must include the demonization Russia. Fatima had to be neutralized and the Church taken down for the anti-Christ system to establish it's control.
    BTW- there was no evidence of a REAL Sr. Lucy after the Fr Fuentes interviews of 1957. So the 1984 Sr Lucy was the imposter as well, no matter what confusing things she said to diffuse the truth. 
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #13 on: December 07, 2022, 12:45:51 PM »
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    BTW- there was no evidence of a REAL Sr. Lucy after the Fr Fuentes interviews of 1957. So the 1984 Sr Lucy was the imposter as well, no matter what confusing things she said to diffuse the truth. 
    If the real Lucy disappeared after 1957, then Dr. C. is wrong in asserting that the imposter only appeared on May 13, 1967 and thereafter.

    I still have to wonder what the imposter's handlers were trying to accomplish by "confusing things."  Obviously, her appearance would have been for one reason alone- to corroborate the authenticity of previous papal consecrations
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    Re: Fake Lucy Theory Going Mainstream
    « Reply #14 on: December 07, 2022, 01:41:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on December 07, 2022, 12:45:51 PM
    If the real Lucy disappeared after 1957, then Dr. C. is wrong in asserting that the imposter only appeared on May 13, 1967 and thereafter.
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    Why?
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