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Offline TheCricketBat

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Failure of the church to serve singles
« on: December 24, 2024, 06:56:18 AM »
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  • We all know those young women in church who seem to be a great catch but say things like they've never been asked out or feel that men are not "man" enough in their pursuit of a wife, etc. It's easy for me, a married man who met his wife on a Christian dating app, to look at relationships and just sort of skip over the dating/courting phase and get on my high horse about sɛҳuąƖ abstinence, purity, etc but I feel like we as the body of Christ are failing a lot of singles in the church, who are at a loss even where to start and feel so much pressure to do it the correct way that they don't even bother trying.  And often these topics get brushed under the rug, which makes it even worse.

    Do you feel like the church does a good job in helping navigate singles through the muck and mire of dating and relationships?  I've been reading some Christian dating blogs and there's so much information about how to prepare for marriage, yet not a lot about how to actually meet someone.  What can we do to better serve single Christians and help them find their spouse?

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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #1 on: December 24, 2024, 09:41:29 AM »
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  • It's the Church's job to provide spiritual assets.  It's the individual's job to use the Church's graces and improve their life.  It's God's job to provide the vocation/spouse/life path.


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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #2 on: December 24, 2024, 10:37:48 AM »
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  • Because people live far away, it’s difficult for singles to meet anyone.  There should be social activities for young people.  Read proverbs.  It gives good instruction too. 

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #3 on: December 24, 2024, 10:52:16 AM »
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    Failure of the church to serve singles
    1.  Just this title alone is protestant and anti-catholic.  It's an inversion of the natural order.

    a.  It's single persons' job to serve the Church.  The Church's job is to serve God.
    b.  Protestants have no religion, only the study of the bible.  They have no ceremonies, nor rites, nor rituals.  They have no religion.
    c.  Because protestants don't have a spiritual way to serve God, they do the only thing left - serve each other.  This is good, but only on the natural level.
    d.  Life is not about you.  It's about the Church and God.
    e.  If God wants you to be married, He'll arrange it, so it happens.  As St Padre Pio said (paraphrasing):  "God knows where to find you."
    f.  Strictly speaking, parents and family members are responsible for arranging social events and single gatherings, not the church. 
    g.  Or, as a single person, you can arrange such social events yourself.
    h.  The Church is a hospital for sinners; it's not a party planning committee.
    i.   The family/society is meant for social activities.


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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #4 on: December 24, 2024, 11:12:16 AM »
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  • Catholic Church was founded to teach , sanctify society  provide the 7 Sacraments  basically lead souls to Heaven. 
    Church is not a dating service. I recall a priest in Toronto area, telling that there were many women in the missions that sincerely want to get married but there were so few men to choose from. (he actually said 'nobody around'.
    Possibly more frustrating for girls / women. 
    Another priest would tell a young man: "listen , when you have $ 90k in your bank account , then start dating. .."
    Only 9% of a population are 'thinkers'. ..as opposed to 'sheeple'. 
    Remember  to serve God first. ..try your vocation, you will NEVER regret it!


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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #5 on: December 26, 2024, 01:38:33 AM »
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  • There is no way for Catholics to meet and interact with each other. Churches should focus on this a little. How are Catholic singles supposed to meet?

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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #6 on: December 26, 2024, 11:18:08 AM »
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  • a.  It's single persons' job to serve the Church.  The Church's job is to serve God.
    b.  Protestants have no religion, only the study of the bible.  They have no ceremonies, nor rites, nor rituals.  They have no religion.
    c.  Because protestants don't have a spiritual way to serve God, they do the only thing left - serve each other.  This is good, but only on the natural level.
    d.  Life is not about you.  It's about the Church and God.
    e.  If God wants you to be married, He'll arrange it, so it happens.  As St Padre Pio said (paraphrasing):  "God knows where to find you."
    f.  Strictly speaking, parents and family members are responsible for arranging social events and single gatherings, not the church. 
    g.  Or, as a single person, you can arrange such social events yourself.
    h.  The Church is a hospital for sinners; it's not a party planning committee.
    i.  The family/society is meant for social activities.

    All of these things are true, and yet the OP has a huge point and it's a great topic for discussion.

    I have lots of experience at SSPX chapels, and he's definitely on to something. People travel from a large radius (average 45-60 minutes) to get to Mass on Sunday, so there is virtually no "parish life" during the week. And there certainly aren't enough outside-Liturgical events so Trads and mix & mingle and make friends and meet spouses.

    You can't exactly pursue young women during Mass or in the Confession line. If everyone leaves right after Mass, what can you do? Running after someone on the way to their car is a way to get maced or shot. Or at least you'll come off as a desperate creep.

    I think the majority of SSPX trads are getting their "friendship needs" met by non-Catholics. A lot of them don't even feel the need for an outlet where they get to socialize with Trads once a week to keep their sanity (CathInfo, staying after to talk in the parish hall, etc.) They literally are content with the Mass, and that's enough "Church stuff" for them. I'm calling them Sunday Catholics. I'm calling them lukewarm. Very sad but true.

    The Church is supposed to concern itself with the spiritual welfare of their flock. Is there NOT a crisis right now in the culture? Is it "easy" for young men to meet mature, chaste spouses, get to know each other, and often times get married? Or do you think they could use some help in this regard?

    Do you think fulfilling one's lifelong vocation has no bearing on one's eternity, or one's spiritual welfare? Do you not think that the majority of men have a vocation to the married life?

    And let's be real. The kind of serious men (thinkers) who are serious about the Traditional Catholic Faith are more likely to be introverted and shy than some kind of football-playing womanizing "chad". If a man doesn't "think too much", he's going to probably stop being a Catholic at some point, or at least stop being Traditional and/or a SERIOUS Catholic, with all the propaganda and errors of the Modern World surrounding him.
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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #7 on: December 26, 2024, 11:41:38 AM »
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    You can't exactly pursue young women during Mass or in the Confession line. If everyone leaves right after Mass, what can you do? Running after someone on the way to their car is a way to get maced or shot. Or at least you'll come off as a desperate creep.
    :laugh1::laugh2:


    Oh, my goodness!  I laughed so hard this, Matthew!  :laugh1:  


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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #8 on: December 26, 2024, 01:47:20 PM »
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  •  If everyone leaves right after Mass, what can you do? Running after someone on the way to their car is a way to get maced or shot. Or at least you'll come off as a desperate creep.
    Unless you are the priest. I have seen a priest do this, a good one who cares about souls and wants to get people to be more than Sunday Catholics.

    I think the majority of SSPX trads are getting their "friendship needs" met by non-Catholics. A lot of them don't even feel the need for an outlet where they get to socialize with Trads once a week to keep their sanity (CathInfo, staying after to talk in the parish hall, etc.) They literally are content with the Mass, and that's enough "Church stuff" for them. I'm calling them Sunday Catholics. I'm calling them lukewarm. Very sad but true.

    The Church is supposed to concern itself with the spiritual welfare of their flock. Is there NOT a crisis right now in the culture? Is it "easy" for young men to meet mature, chaste spouses, get to know each other, and often times get married? Or do you think they could use some help in this regard?

    Do you think fulfilling one's lifelong vocation has no bearing on one's eternity, or one's spiritual welfare? Do you not think that the majority of men have a vocation to the married life?

    And let's be real. The kind of serious men (thinkers) who are serious about the Traditional Catholic Faith are more likely to be introverted and shy than some kind of football-playing womanizing "chad". If a man doesn't "think too much", he's going to probably stop being a Catholic at some point, or at least stop being Traditional and/or a SERIOUS Catholic, with all the propaganda and errors of the Modern World surrounding him.
    As a shy introverted thinker having thought much while alone, I have concluded that I would like to do what I can to help improve culture and social life among traditional Catholics. Though most people may seek recreation and social life out of our natural attraction toward all things pleasurable, those who neglect it because of other priorities may find their own lives disordered. It has an important role in our lives and is to a great extent a necessity, in moderation of course.
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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #9 on: December 26, 2024, 01:49:02 PM »
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  • I agree with Matthew that chapels and traditional Catholics do need to address the issue of young adults finding suitable spouses and even just friends.  While some SSPX chapels have a lot of Sunday Catholics, some of them ARE serious about the Faith.  The problem is even more serious among Resistance Catholics. There are so few and many are blessed to get a Mass once a month or less. Some people drive very long distances, ie, six or more hours and requiring an overnight stay.  Most of these are younger, already married couples with young children. The single man or woman is rare in such a situation. 
    Those of us who are involuntarily home aloners are simply not going to find a spouse unless it’s by a miracle.  Perhaps Our Lord, knowing what is coming upon the world in their lifetimes, is actually saving souls from the hard times to come.  A single man or woman may be called to a special task or to martyrdom. Being married and having children may result in souls with torn loyalties who are lost, but, had they been single, would have been saved.  
    That being said, yes, it is difficult being “single in the world.”  It is even harder being thus and having no Catholic companionship of any sort, never mind a marriage partner.  
    The Church as a whole, doesn’t have a duty to help singles find spouses, but individual Catholics, parents especially, do have a duty to assist their offspring in whatever is their vocation. Parents certainly do have a duty to guide and assist their children in the choice of a husband or wife.  
    When we were growing up, my parents insisted upon meeting the young men before allowing we girls to go with a boy, even if it was just to a young people’s event. A boy who refused was an automatic “NO.” They gave girls a less thorough inspection, but insisted upon a prior introduction, even if brief.  In today’s atmosphere, the girls need just as thorough a preview as the boys. Women’s Lib has turned most women into females who want to wear the pants and dominate the males, or else they are gold-diggers.  

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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #10 on: December 26, 2024, 02:16:35 PM »
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  • You can't exactly pursue young women during Mass or in the Confession line. If everyone leaves right after Mass, what can you do? Running after someone on the way to their car is a way to get maced or shot. Or at least you'll come off as a desperate creep.
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    If this is the case, then it is not the church that is failing young people, but rather young people that are failing the church. The people you describe are right there in the perfect place to find a spouse, and instead of staying around and finding someone there at the church, they leave.

    Now, the OP appears to be the exceptional person who does want to find a spouse at his church, and I feel bad for him if that's the case, but the problem is that it sounds like he's almost the only parishioner there who wants to find a traditional Catholic spouse. And again, the problem here is the other parishioners in his parish, not the parish itself.


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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #11 on: December 26, 2024, 02:23:39 PM »
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  • a.  It's single persons' job to serve the Church.  The Church's job is to serve God.

    A primary way the Church serves God is by working for the salvation of souls. Ensuring that souls go above and beyond being Sunday Catholics, particularly by living charitable lives and doing good works, and whatever it takes to make that happen is part of that work. Maybe certain things shouldn't be the main concern of the clergy, but with the disorder in the Church, they and everyone else needs to do what they can to set things right.
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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #12 on: December 26, 2024, 05:08:41 PM »
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  • Uh, you guys DO realize OP is just advertising his dating app, right? Read the OP again if you need to. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #13 on: December 27, 2024, 12:11:58 AM »
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  • I used to have this protestant friend who met his wife at his church. It wasn't a big church by any means and basically just served the wide area of its neighborhood. They did a lot of stuff. It was completely possible for someone to have their entire social life based solely around their church. While I don't expect Catholic churches to do that much, it would be nice if they offered something even if it's only once a month or something. 

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    Re: Failure of the church to serve singles
    « Reply #14 on: January 01, 2025, 06:42:02 AM »
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  • The Church can organize events. But someone has to do it. Why can it not be you?