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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: parentsfortruth on January 31, 2014, 08:52:53 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549165/We-lost-lives-Woman-possessed-demons-portal-hell-house-terrified-police-chief-details-familys-terrifying-ordeal.html
Pretty interesting story... kinda freaky, but here's a quote:
Catholic priest Father Michael Maginot carried out exorcisms on Ammons in English and Latin and talks of his personal battles with named demons
The final exorcism was in Latin – praising God and condemning the demon.
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Here is an interesting thread, the combat of the Exorcist today-What the
Devil must disclose.
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-conflict-of-exorcist-today-what.html
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Frightening story. Poor souls.
We must pray for them. I can't imagine what it must have been like. It terrifies me just reading about what they went through.
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I hate to sound stupid, ...I had thought ALL exorcisms were done in Latin??? When did that change?!
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http://ologsinquito.hubpages.com/hub/Father-Gabriel-Amorth-the-Vaticans-Chief-Exorcist-Confronts-the-Devil-on-a-Daily-Basis
Father Amorth, an 88-year old Italian priest born in Modena, Italy, is often referred to as the Vatican's "chief exorcist."
However, he is not afraid to candidly speak to the press.
He has been an outspoken critic of the new Rite of Exorcism released in 1999. A number of times, he has gone on record saying these new prayers were ineffective and little more than a "farce," as well as an "incredible obstacle" in fighting the devil and other demons.
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Interesting. It is one of my resolutions for the year to start doing all of my daily prayers in Latin.
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I can understand why the actual words matter, by why would the language matter?
Someone please educate me.
Marsha
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Fr. Amorth uses the old rite for exorcism when he has permission to do so.
http://www.fisheaters.com/amorth.html.
Please be aware in his first book on exorcism published by Ignatius Press there is a favorable mention of Medjugorje and in his second follow-up book, he speaks often of that apparition.
I wonder if the priest in Gary, Indiana who just recently did the successful exorcism in Latin used the new or the old rite. Do any of you know?
EXCERPT:The Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship gave a report to the Commission of Cardinals in which he said that those who had contacted him were bishops and not priests and exorcists. And with regard to our own humble attempt to help them by giving our advice as specialists, he added - and I quote verbatim - "One should also take note of the fact that a group of exorcists and "demonologues", who subsequently formed themselves into an international Association, were busy orchestrating a campaign against the rite." An indecent accusation: we have never orchestrated a campaign! The Ritual was intended for us, and yet not one competent person had been called upon by the commissions; so it was only to be expected that we should seek to make our contribution.
30 Days: Does this mean then that, for you, the New Rite is unusable in the struggle against the demon?
Fr. Amorth: Yes. They were looking to give us a blunt weapon. Efficacious prayers, prayers that had been in existence for twelve centuries, were suppressed and replaced by new ineffective prayers. But, as luck would have it, they threw us a lifeline at the last moment.
30 Days: What was that?
Fr. Amorth: The new Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, Cardinal Jorge Medina, attached to the Ritual a Notification in which he specified that exorcists were not obliged to use this Ritual and that, if they wished, they could ask their bishop for authorization to use the old one. The bishops must in their turn ask for authorization from the Congregation which, as the Cardinal writes, "willingly accords it".
30 Days: "Willingly accords it"? That is a very strange concession...
Fr. Amorth: Do you want to know where it comes from? It comes from an attempt made by Cardinal Ratzinger, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and by Cardinal Medina to introduce into the Ritual an article - it was article 38 at that time - which would authorize exorcists to use the previous Ritual. It was undoubtedly a maneuver in extremis to fend off on our behalf the grave errors found in the definitive Ritual. But the two cardinals failed in their attempt. Then Cardinal Medina, who had understood what was at stake in this matter, decided to grant us this lifeline anyway and he added a separate note.
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I kept wondering when I read this earlier in the week (it was linked from Drudge as were updates): *how* did it happen? And how did it not affect the new tenants at all (new tenants moved into the same house and have said nothing is out of the ordinary).
I cannot help but think the possession and obsession was with the family not the residence, even though that family asserted it all began with moving into that place.
I also wondered, based on reading what Fr. Amorth has said numerous times (that occult practice or at least dabbling is unbelievably common nowadays, and is *the* number one cause of possessions or obsessions), what were the adults in that house dabbling in?
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An epidemic of Demonic Possessions:
http://countdowntozerotime.com/2014/02/01/scarey-as-hell-proof-demons-exist-demon-picture-taken-in-hospital-taken-on-security-camera/
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The man in shackles at a court hearing appears to just be mentally ill.
The picture on the hospital bed makes little sense, they're not flesh/material, so why would they be caught on a camera? Even if they were, all hospital rooms have cameras and thousands die everyday in hospitals, presumably most of them go to Hell, so why don't we have other pictures in hospitals like this?
Why is just this one caught on camera?
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The man in shackles at a court hearing appears to just be mentally ill.
The picture on the hospital bed makes little sense, they're not flesh/material, so why would they be caught on a camera? Even if they were, all hospital rooms have cameras and thousands die everyday in hospitals, presumably most of them go to Hell, so why don't we have other pictures in hospitals like this?
Why is just this one caught on camera?
It is only a guess. This was the only one allowed to get people thinking
whom watch this video that devil's and hell exists. Perhaps it may lead
with God's Grace to reform their lives and search for the true religion.
I once worked for a hospital and have been confronted with deaths
that lead me to think about the eternal destination of their souls.
even though I never seen devils even on monitor screens of a
dying person.
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The man in shackles at a court hearing appears to just be mentally ill.
The picture on the hospital bed makes little sense, they're not flesh/material, so why would they be caught on a camera? Even if they were, all hospital rooms have cameras and thousands die everyday in hospitals, presumably most of them go to Hell, so why don't we have other pictures in hospitals like this?
Why is just this one caught on camera?
It is only a guess. This was the only one allowed to get people thinking
whom watch this video that devil's and hell exists. Perhaps it may lead
with God's Grace to reform their lives and search for the true religion.
I once worked for a hospital and have been confronted with deaths
that lead me to think about the eternal destination of their souls.
even though I never seen devils even on monitor screens of a
dying person.
This is true in some cases. Some people go about their merry lives, never giving eternity a second thought, so they need to be captivated to get them woken up.
I can only speak for myself, but I know that I never would've bothered about Catholicism at all, had it not been for trying to untangle all of the bad things that happened to me. Every form of therapy or religion could never realy identify evil and how it operates. The Church could. That was how I knew it was true, because I knew evil very well. The Church knows evil too, but also how to defeat it.
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:incense:An Excellent Conference on Exorcism by a veteran Catholic Exorcist.
Very Traditional, and uses the Traditional Rite.
Followed by Questions and Answers.
http://youtu.be/j_7wC0kvZYQ
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I kept wondering when I read this earlier in the week (it was linked from Drudge as were updates): *how* did it happen? And how did it not affect the new tenants at all (new tenants moved into the same house and have said nothing is out of the ordinary).
I cannot help but think the possession and obsession was with the family not the residence, even though that family asserted it all began with moving into that place.
I also wondered, based on reading what Fr. Amorth has said numerous times (that occult practice or at least dabbling is unbelievably common nowadays, and is *the* number one cause of possessions or obsessions), what were the adults in that house dabbling in?
Sometimes these things follow the people and not the places.
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All this is nothing new. Here is something from the Notre Dame Archives;
1812 Apr. 16
(Flaget), B(enedict) J(oseph), Bishop of
B(ardstown, Kentucky)
to Father (Simon Gabriel Bruté) Brutey
Baltimore, Maryland
(Flaget) is very grateful for Bruté's letters which are like gazettes. His poor country is so buried in the woods that his messages are very much appreciated. He begs Bruté to continue to send them news of the church. (Flaget) tells of attending a sick child which suffered from convulsions which had been cured by spitting up worms while he was there. Three other children experienced the same illness which was attributed to witchcraft. The father said that only a priest could cure the children because a negress was the cause of the illness. There were indications in her case of possession especially blasphemy and cursing of women. The mother, a Catholic, sprinkled holy water on the person and she became quiet. Protestants hearing this thought that all water would have the same effect with the salt in it, but their water did not have the effect. In another case the use of the scapular and singing Catholic hymns had the effect of stopping the sicknesses. (Flaget) has heard of this from Father (Charles) Nerinckx who heard it from the father. (Flaget) has eye witnesses. (Flaget) is going to take another very sick child and have her examined by doctors and see if the sickness can be explained by natural things. If not he will assemble the clergy and proceed with an exorcism. A great good will result if this sickness can be cured by this exorcism. There is great publicity to the case and last Sunday 400 persons came to see the child. (Flaget) prays for the good health of Father (William) DuBourg so that he can continue his excellent conferences. He is to tell Sinnott that his father is well and has made his Easter Communion. He asks to be remembered to Irishmen Hayes and McGowan.
http://archives.nd.edu/calendar/cal1812.htm
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Here is more;
The little girls whom they thought possessed are in the hands of Bardstown doctors. The doctors think they have been poisoned. If the doctors give up the Bishop will make his exorcisms.
http://archives.nd.edu/calendar/cal1812.htm
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Bruté's letter of July 8 found him confessing, preaching, confirming, etc. The holy services consume nearly all his time. Bruté's prodigies from Maryland edify him but intrigue him also. It is good to strive to imitate the best but to realize that such is unattainable. Up to the present he gives Confirmation only on Sunday and to those who are well instructed and have made their First Communion. He is usually accompanied by two or three ecclesiastics. The people are from every profession but the spirit of piety is very deep. The ceremony lasts three hours, with First Communion besides the Confirmation to which Father (Charles) Nerinckx has added a procession with the Blessed Sacrament. When the Bishop objected Nerinckx would not listen to his remonstrances because he had not driven away the demons from the neighborhood. Nerinckx arranged three of these services, the latest 10 or 12 miles away. The people, although poor have purchased 400 acres for a church and have built a little chapel, sending him the title to both. At the ceremony they carried branches of trees instead of candles with four large ones serving for a canopy. Father Nerinckx managed the ceremonies and the chant. The Trappists have a pretty establishment there but Father Urbain (Guillet) has gone to Louisiana where he suffers from the heat. The Bishop says his functions are always the same and he fears his letters are also. On his way one day, and speaking to a Catholic he asked a Protestant lady if the child she held was baptized. Learning that it was not he asked to baptize it and eight others. This in turn led to the baptism of the lady. He has given to these children sponsors of his own choice so that they still learn their prayers. He pleads with Bruté to send his priests for the work. (Part crossed out.) He has a letter of exchange for Father Ladavière but since Ladavière has not come he has asked to use the money. the draft is for 30 days and he wants approval to use the money since Archbishop (John Carroll) said that Ladavière would not come to America to be a Jesuit. In the next room Father (Jean) David is making students decline the pronouns. Morety [Moretti] does not do so well in Latin. Father (Guy Ignatius) Chabrat is a great source of consolation. Flaget sends his respects to Father (Francis) Nagot, and a thousand thanks to Father John Tessier and his other confreres. He holds Bruté responsible for the life of Gather (William) Dubourg. He sends attentions to Madame Amiote and the ladies of the laundry. He salutes all the professors and students of the seminary and college. The good Madame Leroy has not written him although he wrote her. He does not know if Moral the nephew of Adame Lacombe has received the letter he sent him the first of the year as he has received no answer. He will start for Baltimore at the commencement of September and will visit many congregations on the way.
P.S. He greets various ladies and Mr. Costel. He owes an answer to Harent and many other things. He blesses the family with its holy patriarch.
http://archives.nd.edu/calendar/cal1812.htm