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Re: “Exorcism?” FSSPX?
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 05:31:18 PM »
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‘Caution: Church authorities advise laypeople against reciting the commanding or authoritative exorcism formulas directly against demons, as it falls outside their pastoral authority and risks spiritual retaliation’? Isn’t this the St Michael the Archangel prayer? It’s said after the SSPX Latin masses, sometimes at other Latin masses. I thought Pope Leo (the previous one not current pope) instructed the faithful to say it?
The church has always instructed that lay people NOT engage demons.  The St Michael prayer is just that, a prayer to St. Michael, it DOES NOT command or engage with demons.
The ONLY commanding or authoritative engagement we should/could have with the devil is to tell him/it to go to hell.

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Re: “Exorcism?” FSSPX?
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 07:24:26 PM »
Why does description say
‘Caution: Church authorities advise laypeople against reciting the commanding or authoritative exorcism formulas directly against demons, as it falls outside their pastoral authority and risks spiritual retaliation’? Isn’t this the St Michael the Archangel prayer? It’s said after the SSPX Latin masses, sometimes at other Latin masses. I thought Pope Leo (the previous one not current pope) instructed the faithful to say it?

So, the St. Michael prayer, the short form, is permitted for all lay people to say.

But the longer form St. Michael prayer should not be said by lay people because it's an exorcism and involves issuing commands to demons.

This practice undercuts the "Celebrity Exorcist's" fraudulent apostolate.  There's simply never been a tradition in the Church of permitting laymen to issue commands to demons.  Period.  I asked one of his apologists to cite evidence that it's permitted, and he pointed me to Ripperger's footnotes to St. Alphonsus and St. Thomas.  Neither of those sources backed up his mendacious assertion.  St. Alphonsus stated mere that only priests with their bishop's authorization may perform solemn/major exorcisms, but the corollary is not that laymen can perform minor exorcisms.  Both sources actually condemn as grave sin Ripperger's claimed practice of interrogating demons to get more juicy material for his Youtube videos.  I think the fact that Ripperger had to adapt Prot sources to come up with the content of his "Deliverance Prayers" booklet should tell you everything we need to know.  What a shame the Church had for nearly 2,000 years completely neglected this powerful lay ministry against the demonic.


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Re: “Exorcism?” FSSPX?
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 07:26:32 PM »
The church has always instructed that lay people NOT engage demons.  The St Michael prayer is just that, a prayer to St. Michael, it DOES NOT command or engage with demons.
The ONLY commanding or authoritative engagement we should/could have with the devil is to tell him/it to go to hell.

I would avoid even the latter.  If God permits, the demons might take retribution against laymen who attempt to issue commands to them.  I'm sure that they absolutely HATE it when some bag of puss like a human being tries to tell them what to do.  That's one story about why Lucifer fell, that he despised the fact that he had to be subject to Our Lady.  When a priest performs the exorcism, he's not doing it under his own authority but 1) in persona Christi (it's Christ doing it) and 2) with the authority of the Church (by Holy Orders at least and often with explicit jurisdiction).  In the St. Michael prayer that we laymen can use, we ask St. Michael to cast the demons into Hell, and do not command them to Hell ourselves.  That too is dangerous and to be avoided.

PS ... it's very possible that Pablo came under diabolical influence or control when he was attempting to exercise his lay exorcist ministry.