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Offline Philothea3

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Ethics for Performance in Churches
« on: May 20, 2022, 03:01:49 PM »
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  • Anyone knows anything about the pre-V2 regulations/rules/opinions on performance in churches? I have heard the common practice is to move the tabernacle or the Host to the side which is totally absurd to me. Also it makes me cringe of the whole idea of standing in front of the altar, facing to the audience to perform. IMO the churches are consecrated and it serves only one purpose which is to worship God. But I also heard that it's done this way pre-V2 too so as long as they're not bad songs it's fine so I'm not sure if I was wrong. Also how about performing in protestant buildings? The whole idea makes me cringe too though the Host is not there.
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    Re: Ethics for Performance in Churches
    « Reply #1 on: May 20, 2022, 03:51:39 PM »
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  • Can you explain what you are talking about? What is this "performance" and what do you mean by "bad songs"?
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    Re: Ethics for Performance in Churches
    « Reply #2 on: May 20, 2022, 05:08:31 PM »
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  • I have heard the common practice is to move the tabernacle or the Host to the side which is totally absurd to me. Also it makes me cringe of the whole idea of standing in front of the altar, facing to the audience to perform.
    You are describing the typical novus ordo "mass."
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    Re: Ethics for Performance in Churches
    « Reply #3 on: May 20, 2022, 06:11:08 PM »
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  • Prior to Vat II, if something non liturgical was going on in the church, the Blessed Sacrament was removed to the tabernacle (Altar of Repose) in the sacristy, the sanctuary candle was extinguished and/or moved to the new location for the duration of the event.
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    Re: Ethics for Performance in Churches
    « Reply #4 on: May 20, 2022, 06:26:44 PM »
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  • Prior to Vat II, if something non liturgical was going on in the church, the Blessed Sacrament was removed to the tabernacle (Altar of Repose) in the sacristy, the sanctuary candle was extinguished and/or moved to the new location for the duration of the event.
    I see, but how was "something non liturgical" allowed in churches? What are some of the examples?
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    Re: Ethics for Performance in Churches
    « Reply #5 on: May 20, 2022, 06:31:27 PM »
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  • Anyone knows anything about the pre-V2 regulations/rules/opinions on performance in churches? I have heard the common practice is to move the tabernacle or the Host to the side which is totally absurd to me. Also it makes me cringe of the whole idea of standing in front of the altar, facing to the audience to perform. IMO the churches are consecrated and it serves only one purpose which is to worship God. But I also heard that it's done this way pre-V2 too so as long as they're not bad songs it's fine so I'm not sure if I was wrong. Also how about performing in protestant buildings? The whole idea makes me cringe too though the Host is not there.
    Sounds like you have good Catholic instincts, P3.
    Canon law (1164) is actually concerned even about the basement being used for purely secular purposes:
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    Re: Ethics for Performance in Churches
    « Reply #6 on: May 20, 2022, 07:54:22 PM »
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  • Sounds like you have good Catholic instincts, P3.
    Canon law (1164) is actually concerned even about the basement being used for purely secular purposes:
    https://archive.org/details/1917CodeOfCanonLawCommentary/page/n2407/mode/1up
    Thank you. So from the article it's saying if a place is merely blessed rather than consecrated it can be used for worldly purposes. But that clearly doesn't apply to the church hall itself as I assumed that the church hall was usually consecrated?
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    Re: Ethics for Performance in Churches
    « Reply #7 on: May 20, 2022, 08:53:27 PM »
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  • I see, but how was "something non liturgical" allowed in churches? What are some of the examples?
    Groups will sing in them, especially if they're doing music that requires an organ or big acoustical space. And many groups will perform in Protestant churches as well for the same reason. 
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