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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matthew on May 23, 2025, 02:19:20 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DGpGs_zfRA
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These same companies then whine that they can't find any suitable candidates, demand the Government allow greater immigration, and then hire Indians who lied about having degrees or experience at all. Anything is better to hare-brained HR-types than an honest and open hiring process.
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I don't know, the world grows more insane every day. I used to do a little hiring and firing, but would hire new people only as a last resort, only if no one already at the company wanted the job or was qualified. I always, always preferred going with employees who were already working there. Whenever you fill a vacancy with new people, you never know what you'll get - often times until it's too late.
But if I had to guess, I would say overall that the quality of entry level applicants is abysmal, and the idiots in HR are just as abysmal - a pretty bad combination. Just a guess mind you. But I remember how it was 25 years ago when I was part of that mess, I imagine things have gotten much worse since then.
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These same companies then whine that they can't find any suitable candidates, demand the Government allow greater immigration, and then hire Indians who lied about having degrees or experience at all. Anything is better to hare-brained HR-types than an honest and open hiring process.
Right. Another attack on the American (mostly white) middle class. Add DEI into the mix and only certain candidates need apply.
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hare-brained HR-types than an honest and open hiring process
¾ of HR is women.
The companies doing real innovation are like Telegram: no HR department, only a few dozen employees, and they've given Big Tech companies with their thousands of employees, HR overhead, and foozeball tables quite the competition!
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¾ of HR is women.
The companies doing real innovation are like Telegram: no HR department, only a few dozen employees, and they've given Big Tech companies with their thousands of employees, HR overhead, and foozeball tables quite the competition!
I agree that HR is largely a jobs program for women. It's a department that's designed to suit women's strengths in interpersonal-interactions, and I'm not convinced HR staff do as good a job in candidate selection or conflict-resolution as they are designed to.
My theory is that HR and marketing departments are so large and so full of women because the other departments are usually so full of men, and dating mechanics are at-play. After college, a secular man has few if any other avenues to meet women except at work, and having attractive young women around would probably improve morale in any case. And while companies may pledge total equality - the factual differences between men and women in both physical and personality-related attributes render this utterly impossible. So instead, in order to achieve rough parity company-wide, we end up with men in the brass-tacks departments and women in the inter-personal departments. The main exception would be cleaning - which is a mostly invisible and practical (non-personal) job which women tend to dominate, but you'll also notice that most cleaning ladies are older women who are already married or not looking to marry, and that explains why it's an exception.
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I agree that HR is largely a jobs program for women.
It's single women's welfare.
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having attractive young women around would probably improve morale in any case
Not in my experience. It causes problems, because they think they're in charge.
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I just eeked out of this REAL mess when I got my first "career" job in 2015. They let me go because they hired the owners son and I got canned, I was low man on the pole. No biggie, that's life.
I'm in Design/Engineering/CADD btw.
I struggled a bit finding my niche. Asked by boss in my second job for a raise to his face in 2020, when they quiet hired us into new jobs/roles without higher pay. He said "no", quit, 3rd job, I got laid off in a year (super small engineering firm), then used a headhunter to find work quick, got one, way better pay and the headhunters even had benefits. thennnn, I moved again, found my wife (thanks!) had the work experience, found even better pay at a place of direct hire with 12k employees internationally. Unfortunately, your super large corporate companies are you safest in job security.. You can bank on that. Your mom and pops or mid levels tend to be cliquey and/or political, not to mention if work is slow, they will need to cut you. Larger firms can most definitely weather a slow period and keep a good employee....
Headhunters are great because they offer a probationary period and you can see if you like it or not, or if they like you. It's a win-win. If you can handle it, being a temp here and there isn't bad. It's impossible to get burned out, too. My buddie just goes from job to job on contracts. Puts money into his own retirement thing he does (don't ask).
From what I've been through, I can surely tell you that getting 2 year technical degree, then maybe a 4 year is the way to go. Or.. two technical 2 year degrees. If you go to college for anything other than STEM, you've lost. sorry. You have to be savvy today. Strategize, make yourself liked at work through good attitude and communication. Don't be Mr. quiet guy. It works. Especially in larger companies.
But saying all that, you have to go through the tough times in your early days of working. It's inevitable... You don't get to coast like those super upper middle class/rich brats. (you know who I'm talking about)
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It's single women's welfare.
I agree. That's what I meant.
Not in my experience. It causes problems, because they think they're in charge.
Traditional Catholic men aren't the same as the average man. In my experience, offices are full of men trying (and usually failing) to flirt with female coworkers. The conversations are distracting and also extremely boring to have to overhear, because you can tell they wouldn't be happening if the two parties involved were just friends with mutual interests in each other's hobbies, instead of situations where the conversation is perpetually extended just for the sake of maintaining contact.
It remains my opinion as a result that HR departments, despite their utter failure when it comes to actually hiring and firing effectively, remain the way they are because they provide an easy way to balance gender ratios in offices.
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As Émile Keller wrote (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_details&book_id=6995), one of the "Duties of the capitalist towards the employees and workers placed in his service" is to "Let the sexes be separated."
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they provide an easy way to balance gender ratios in offices.
And why must the ratios be balanced? What's driving/incentivizing such egalitarianism?
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And why must the ratios be balanced? What's driving/incentivizing such egalitarianism?
The media, the Government (there are laws in place in most Western countries), cultural expectations, pressure from women, pressure from feminist men, etc.
If you're asking where it originally came from, then I'm not sure. Jєωιѕн academics probably. But the above are who I suppose sustain it day-to-day.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DGpGs_zfRA
A lot of entry jobs don't even exist anymore, either taken by Indians or overseas Indians, or AI.
Banks in my country will literally send their employees over to india to train indians for customer support. Also recently coinbase had their customers information leaked because the Indian workers in india got bribed :facepalm:
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I agree that HR is largely a jobs program for women. It's a department that's designed to suit women's strengths in interpersonal-interactions, and I'm not convinced HR staff do as good a job in candidate selection or conflict-resolution as they are designed to.
My theory is that HR and marketing departments are so large and so full of women because the other departments are usually so full of men, and dating mechanics are at-play. After college, a secular man has few if any other avenues to meet women except at work, and having attractive young women around would probably improve morale in any case. And while companies may pledge total equality - the factual differences between men and women in both physical and personality-related attributes render this utterly impossible. So instead, in order to achieve rough parity company-wide, we end up with men in the brass-tacks departments and women in the inter-personal departments. The main exception would be cleaning - which is a mostly invisible and practical (non-personal) job which women tend to dominate, but you'll also notice that most cleaning ladies are older women who are already married or not looking to marry, and that explains why it's an exception.
Most secure adults are overweight, so not attractive.
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Most secure adults are overweight, so not attractive.
What is the argument supposed to be here?
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What is the argument supposed to be here?
and having attractive young women around would probably improve morale in any case
No morale when the women are overweight. Or really not even young.
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and having attractive young women around would probably improve morale in any case
No morale when the women are overweight. Or really not even young.
I REALLY hate this idea of having women in and around the workplace so men work harder. I honestly think it's sinful on the company's end.
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I REALLY hate this idea of having women in and around the workplace so men work harder. I honestly think it's sinful on the company's end.
Men actually work better when it's just men. It's different if ladies pass by when they are working.
Military data showed that all men units performed much better than mixed units.
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I REALLY hate this idea of having women in and around the workplace so men work harder
It doesn't even work. If anything, the women are a distraction and make the men work less hard.
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Men actually work better when it's just men. It's different if ladies pass by when they are working.
Military data showed that all men units performed much better than mixed units.
Yes! Indeed.
King David's soldiers abstained from their wives (only 3 days) in order to prepare for battle better (1 Sam 21:5 (https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drl&bk=9&ch=21&l=5-#x)).
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Something like this happened to my younger brother. Graduated top of his class in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Houston in 1992 (National Merit Finalist on full scholarship).
When he got out he couldn't get a job in the field ... because about a year earlier, Bush Sr. made some huge defense cuts, which in turn led to engineers with 10 years of experience competing for entry-level jobs.
He was squeezed out ... and so he side-stepped over to software development (which worked out well for him, by God's grace, but which he could have obtained without a degree).
I myself got into software development with a degree in Greek and Latin :laugh1:
... having taken exactly one college-level comp sci class, and relying upon having taught myself BASIC programming when I was 10 years old on my Atari 800 (same experience my brother had). I always put on my resume that I have a Bachelor's degree, but not a single interviewer has ever asked me what it was in ... nor did they even check that I had a degree. If I was a liar, I could put down that I had an MS from Princeton and nobody would even check. Or, even better, I'd say I had the BS from the University of Budapest (in Hungary), and how would they even be able to verify that. Or like when an Indian guys says that, "I'm Punjeet Venkatarama, and have a degree from the University of Bangalore." Even if someone would call Bangalore, they'd say, "We have 10,000 Punjeet Venkataramas who got degrees from here."
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... having taken exactly one college-level comp sci class, and relying upon having taught myself BASIC programming when I was 10 years old on my Atari 800 (same experience my brother had). I always put on my resume that I have a Bachelor's degree, but not a single interviewer has ever asked me what it was in ... nor did they even check that I had a degree.
I'm also self-taught, I taught myself QBasic when I was 15, having decided I loved programming at age 7 (the first time I saw a Commodore 64. What was I so in love with? Basic programming -- not games!). Instead of an Atari (since I'm a few years younger than you) it was a Laser 386 16 MHz with 2 MB RAM (yes that's megabytes, not gigabytes) and a 100 MB hard drive, wimpy video card, no sound card or CD-ROM, and a modem (not pre-installed!) so difficult to install and configure I had to seek help from a nerd at my high school. Then I could get on local bulletin boards!
Our first PC package also came with a dot matrix printer and a 14" color CRT monitor. Cost my family $1300 for that computing powerhouse, but we couldn't afford any kind of computer before that.
And I also took 1 college class in programming ("Object Oriented Programming in C++") at my local community college. Right after I graduated high school. Got an A in the class, but it was a joke. Most of the class was covering "C" which was supposed to be a prerequisite! And I had already taught myself C.
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A good video, thanks for posting it. In Germany it is the same development.
As a junior software programmer, what do the experienced programmers on this forum think are the most important skills to focus on in order to be able to find jobs?
Also, do you think software like ChatGPT will dramatically change the field, or is it just a temporary hype that will eventually fade?
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A good video, thanks for posting it. In Germany it is the same development.
As a junior software programmer, what do the experienced programmers on this forum think are the most important skills to focus on in order to be able to find jobs?
Also, do you think software like ChatGPT will dramatically change the field, or is it just a temporary hype that will eventually fade?
I don't have a sure answer for you, as I can't see the future either.
All I can say is, have strong skills that only humans can have. Things involving REASON for example. Anyone who has worked with ChatGPT knows its shortcomings, which are myriad. For example, when using AI to solve your programming woes, it *always* comes back with 100% confidence and promises an end to your issues, that you can apply these fixes and then take the rest of the day off.
...except the solution often doesn't work. Sometimes it keeps trying the same things, going in circles. For some problems, it will try dozens of times -- each time with 100% confidence -- with nothing but failure. For other problems, it fixes them on the first try.
ChatGPT and AI is not pure hype, because the tool that exists today is already useful and I use it everyday. However, the PROMISE is the bubble that might burst. And maybe AI will lose favor if electricity got more expensive. The amount of power/water consumed by AI models is legendary.
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I just eeked out of this REAL mess when I got my first "career" job in 2015. They let me go because they hired the owners son and I got canned, I was low man on the pole. No biggie, that's life.
I can relate to this. I had a great part-time job, remote, in the late 00's. It was an Italian guy, let's call him "Luigi". I got the job thanks to "Bob", an old supervisor of mine (not his real name). Eventually Luigi's nephew needed work and he hired him. The nephew was a total jerk; even "Bob" who also worked for him (he was older, wiser, more diplomatic, etc.) could see this. We both did our best, tried to be accommodating and civil, etc. but eventually we both had to give up on working for Luigi. The nephew just wouldn't work with us.
It was classic Italian nepotism. You give your son/nephew/godson/etc. a job, even if he is utterly undeserving. And I've had plenty of experience with nepotism: 9 times out of 10, the beneficiaries ARE jerks, because they are related to the owner and know they can get away with it. The "real" employees often resent these DEI hires. It's very similar to Affirmative Action or DEI, if you think about it. It's not the best person for the job; the reason for his hire is some other thing that the person didn't earn (skin color, sex, what family they were born into).
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I don't have a sure answer for you, as I can't see the future either.
All I can say is, have strong skills that only humans can have. Things involving REASON for example. Anyone who has worked with ChatGPT knows its shortcomings, which are myriad. For example, when using AI to solve your programming woes, it *always* comes back with 100% confidence and promises an end to your issues, that you can apply these fixes and then take the rest of the day off.
...except the solution often doesn't work. Sometimes it keeps trying the same things, going in circles. For some problems, it will try dozens of times -- each time with 100% confidence -- with nothing but failure. For other problems, it fixes them on the first try.
ChatGPT and AI is not pure hype, because the tool that exists today is already useful and I use it everyday. However, the PROMISE is the bubble that might burst. And maybe AI will lose favor if electricity got more expensive. The amount of power/water consumed by AI models is legendary.
Thank you very much!
I will do my best to heed your advice. I also found your view thought-provoking that AI as a tool is useful, but that the promises made about it might actually be the problem.
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What gets me are all the “entry level” jobs that don’t actually exist, or that want advanced degrees and years of experience, or are, in reality, unpaid internships!
I’m really old school because I’ve never once used a computer to get a job. The last time I was officially hired for a career job was in August of 1992. I found out about the opening from my uncle whose work colleague’s wife was a school principal, who was lamenting the sudden resignation of her school’s Kindergarten teacher six days before the start of the school year. The teacher’s husband was in the military and was transferred “as of yesterday.” I had just moved to NY and had been going in person to make applications and give résumés. I had already decided to take any job, probably in retail, and advertise myself for tutoring, since the fish weren’t biting. I called the school, was asked, “How soon can you come in?” I told them to expect me in an hour. I interviewed and was hired on the spot. That was the Friday before Labor Day. They helped carry two enormous stacks of teacher’s manuals, tax papers, etc. into my car. The first teacher’s day was Tuesday after Labor Day and the students arrived on Wednesday. I kept that job until January of 2021 when I got fired for refusal to take Dr. Fauxi’s safe and effective preventative for c-sickness.
Come to think of it, all but one job I ever had was either via a social connection of some kind, showing up in person, or being in the right place at the right time. I had a job for two years as department head in a home-decorator store. How I got that one is actually rather funny, for me, not for my predecessor. I was shopping in the mall looking for accessories for my parents’ remodeled bathroom. I went into the store just as a young man came stomping out, yelling the store was 💩, the manager was 💩, everybody should go f- themselves, etc. I was standing near the cashier’s counter on a sort of platform in the center of the store. So I said something like, “Wow. He seems a bit disgruntled.” The cashier commented quietly, “Much to everyone’s relief!”
I picked out some towels, a bath mat, soap dish, etc. and while on line to pay, thought, “Let me ask about a job.” I had no idea what the guy did, but I WAS not happy with what I was doing, substituting at a public Jr. High School. Even back then, the kids were obnoxious or at least the teachers who couldn’t manage the kids always seemed to be those who were absent. I had to be available every school day until 11:00 AM, whether I got called in or not, so couldn’t work another job. Upon inquiry, I was told the job was in the towel and linens department. It started at $7.50 per hour but would go up pending satisfactory work. I filled out an application and received a call that evening to come for an interview next day. No, I didn’t have experience, but by the description, there was nothing someone with an eighth grade couldn’t do. So I went in, demonstrated I could do basic math, and fold towels, etc. the way required. The manager turned to his assistant, said, “What do you think?” She replied, ‘I don’t see a reason to look any farther.” The fact that I could start then and there was a real plus. So I got hired. It wasn’t the most interesting job, but, hey, it beat unsteady employment babysitting pubescent brats. I left the job because I was offered a teaching job that I knew I’d really like out of state. I only quit once, no notice, middle of my shift, from a job in McDonald’s because the manager was a creepy old pervert who couldn’t keep his hands to himself.
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What gets me are all the “entry level” jobs that don’t actually exist, or that want advanced degrees and years of experience, or are, in reality, unpaid internships!
I’m really old school because I’ve never once used a computer to get a job. The last time I was officially hired for a career job was in August of 1992. I found out about the opening from my uncle whose work colleague’s wife was a school principal, who was lamenting the sudden resignation of her school’s Kindergarten teacher six days before the start of the school year. The teacher’s husband was in the military and was transferred “as of yesterday.” I had just moved to NY and had been going in person to make applications and give résumés. I had already decided to take any job, probably in retail, and advertise myself for tutoring, since the fish weren’t biting. I called the school, was asked, “How soon can you come in?” I told them to expect me in an hour. I interviewed and was hired on the spot. That was the Friday before Labor Day. They helped carry two enormous stacks of teacher’s manuals, tax papers, etc. into my car. The first teacher’s day was Tuesday after Labor Day and the students arrived on Wednesday. I kept that job until January of 2021 when I got fired for refusal to take Dr. Fauxi’s safe and effective preventative for c-sickness.
Come to think of it, all but one job I ever had was either via a social connection of some kind, showing up in person, or being in the right place at the right time. I had a job for two years as department head in a home-decorator store. How I got that one is actually rather funny, for me, not for my predecessor. I was shopping in the mall looking for accessories for my parents’ remodeled bathroom. I went into the store just as a young man came stomping out, yelling the store was 💩, the manager was 💩, everybody should go f- themselves, etc. I was standing near the cashier’s counter on a sort of platform in the center of the store. So I said something like, “Wow. He seems a bit disgruntled.” The cashier commented quietly, “Much to everyone’s relief!”
I picked out some towels, a bath mat, soap dish, etc. and while on line to pay, thought, “Let me ask about a job.” I had no idea what the guy did, but I WAS not happy with what I was doing, substituting at a public Jr. High School. Even back then, the kids were obnoxious or at least the teachers who couldn’t manage the kids always seemed to be those who were absent. I had to be available every school day until 11:00 AM, whether I got called in or not, so couldn’t work another job. Upon inquiry, I was told the job was in the towel and linens department. It started at $7.50 per hour but would go up pending satisfactory work. I filled out an application and received a call that evening to come for an interview next day. No, I didn’t have experience, but by the description, there was nothing someone with an eighth grade couldn’t do. So I went in, demonstrated I could do basic math, and fold towels, etc. the way required. The manager turned to his assistant, said, “What do you think?” She replied, ‘I don’t see a reason to look any farther.” The fact that I could start then and there was a real plus. So I got hired. It wasn’t the most interesting job, but, hey, it beat unsteady employment babysitting pubescent brats. I left the job because I was offered a teaching job that I knew I’d really like out of state. I only quit once, no notice, middle of my shift, from a job in McDonald’s because the manager was a creepy old pervert who couldn’t keep his hands to himself.
Wow... You almost held that job for 30 years! That is impressive! God bless you for standing up for what you believed in even though it got you fired. 🥰
I love when you share stories like this! 😇
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Wow... You almost held that job for 30 years! That is impressive! God bless you for standing up for what you believed in even though it got you fired. 🥰
I love when you share stories like this! 😇
Not my belief, but no way was I going to inject cells originally derived from aborted babies into my body. The RNA business remains time untested. There is the question of RNA related prion diseases as well.
I wasn’t the only one to leave, five others resigned before the clock ran out for the same reason. I had no other source of income. The new school board were trying to get rid of their expensive (old!) employees, anyhow. Call it literally a hostile takeover. In 2019 they changed the curriculum in order to get state money towards textbooks and other items. When NYC started requiring every adult to have proof of the 💉 to even enter the building, about 2/3 of the parents ended up withdrawing their children. Poetic justice, I guess, because the school is completely changed, and is for grades 6-12, half online with half the certified teachers. They took the word Christian out of the name, substituting Faith and really toning down moral standards.
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Not my belief, but no way was I going to inject cells originally derived from aborted babies into my body. The RNA business remains time untested. There is the question of RNA related prion diseases as well.
I wasn’t the only one to leave, five others resigned before the clock ran out for the same reason. I had no other source of income. The new school board were trying to get rid of their expensive (old!) employees, anyhow. Call it literally a hostile takeover. In 2019 they changed the curriculum in order to get state money towards textbooks and other items. When NYC started requiring every adult to have proof of the 💉 to even enter the building, about 2/3 of the parents ended up withdrawing their children. Poetic justice, I guess, because the school is completely changed, and is for grades 6-12, half online with half the certified teachers. They took the word Christian out of the name, substituting Faith and really toning down moral standards.
Wow... Those are a LOT of big changes...
It is good to hear that so many parents stood up for their children. 🥰