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Offline Gabriella

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« on: October 23, 2016, 04:37:55 PM »
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  • A friend of mine suggested I look into the enneagram and she told me that its origins are Catholic and that Catholic priests use it.

    Does anyone here know anything about this?


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    « Reply #1 on: October 23, 2016, 06:33:47 PM »
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  • No.  The enneagram is not Catholic, though it is very popular in the Novus Ordo Conciliar church.

    I have read that it's origins are from the early Church, but if it is, it is from the Gnostics.  Today, the enneagram is a New Age thing and seems to be very popular with Novus Ordo nuns in their last throes of existence.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 23, 2016, 09:27:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    No.  The enneagram is not Catholic, though it is very popular in the Novus Ordo Conciliar church.

    I have read that it's origins are from the early Church, but if it is, it is from the Gnostics.  Today, the enneagram is a New Age thing and seems to be very popular with Novus Ordo nuns in their last throes of existence.


    Gabriella would fit right in with those nuns then as she is also a radical feminist, delusional pants wearer.  

    Offline Steve Hanniwald

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    « Reply #3 on: October 23, 2016, 10:04:59 PM »
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    A friend of mine suggested I look into the enneagram and she told me that its origins are Catholic and that Catholic priests use it.

    Does anyone here know anything about this?


    It has ties to George Ivanovich Gurdjieff, who taught that most humans do not possess a unified mind-body consciousness and thus live their lives in a state of hypnotic "waking sleep", but that it is possible to transcend to a higher state of consciousness and achieve full human potential.

    This is definitely not Catholic. Closer to Luciferianism, IMO.

    Offline Gabriella

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    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 12:44:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    No.  The enneagram is not Catholic, though it is very popular in the Novus Ordo Conciliar church.

    I have read that it's origins are from the early Church, but if it is, it is from the Gnostics.  Today, the enneagram is a New Age thing and seems to be very popular with Novus Ordo nuns in their last throes of existence.


    Thank you TKGS. I started looking it up on the internet and although it does say it has a Catholic background it did not at all ring true or good to me, so I thought I would ask.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 24, 2016, 12:48:21 AM »
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    A friend of mine suggested I look into the enneagram and she told me that its origins are Catholic and that Catholic priests use it.

    Does anyone here know anything about this?


    It has ties to George Ivanovich Gurdjieff, who taught that most humans do not possess a unified mind-body consciousness and thus live their lives in a state of hypnotic "waking sleep", but that it is possible to transcend to a higher state of consciousness and achieve full human potential.

    This is definitely not Catholic. Closer to Luciferianism, IMO.


    Thank you Steve Hanniwald, that is helpful.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 24, 2016, 01:51:16 AM »
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  • I would definitely confirm that the Enneagram is New Age -- and even Luciferian --

    I have had some encounters "of the 3rd kind" with it a number of years ago.

    Not only is it NOT Catholic -- it is not even Christian!!

    My advice -- stay away from such ---  :boxer:

    Hope this helps!

    Fatima Girl

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    « Reply #7 on: October 24, 2016, 08:00:25 AM »
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    « Reply #8 on: October 24, 2016, 01:42:59 PM »
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  • It is NOT Catholic, but is pushed and endorsed WIDELY in the Novus Ordo, especially by Jesuit priests, in my personal experience.

    Stay away!

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    « Reply #9 on: October 24, 2016, 07:21:01 PM »
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  • Do a quick search for (ironically, a Jesuit!)

    Fr. Mitch Pacwa enneagram  

    and get a list of websites you can visit.  One of them is

    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=2622

    Fr. Pacwa has been associated with EWTN for many years, and I'd call him a modern Novus Ordo priest, but he has been outspoken about dangerous NewAge spinoffs that many other Novus Ordo types consider credible or praiseworthy.  Enneagrams fall into this category.  

    You wouldn't use a Ouija board, would you? Or Tarot cards?

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    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2016, 07:24:30 PM »
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    Today, the enneagram is a New Age thing and seems to be very popular with Novus Ordo nuns in their last throes of existence.

    Gabriella would fit right in with those nuns then as she is also a radical feminist, delusional pants wearer.  


    You ought to be careful especially when hiding behind Internet anonymity, because God isn't fooled, and detraction is sinful.

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    « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2016, 10:40:16 PM »
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    I would definitely confirm that the Enneagram is New Age -- and even Luciferian --

    I have had some encounters "of the 3rd kind" with it a number of years ago.

    Not only is it NOT Catholic -- it is not even Christian!!

    My advice -- stay away from such ---  :boxer:

    Hope this helps!

    Fatima Girl


    Thank you Fatimagirl. I will surely stay away from it.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 24, 2016, 10:41:21 PM »
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    Wow, that was really helpful. I think I will share this with my friend.

    Offline Gabriella

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    « Reply #13 on: October 24, 2016, 10:43:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Do a quick search for (ironically, a Jesuit!)

    Fr. Mitch Pacwa enneagram  

    and get a list of websites you can visit.  One of them is

    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=2622

    Fr. Pacwa has been associated with EWTN for many years, and I'd call him a modern Novus Ordo priest, but he has been outspoken about dangerous NewAge spinoffs that many other Novus Ordo types consider credible or praiseworthy.  Enneagrams fall into this category.  

    You wouldn't use a Ouija board, would you? Or Tarot cards?



    Nope, I certainly would not use a Ouija board or Tarot cards. I felt something out of wack on this one and this time I sensed right. Thank you for your insight.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #14 on: October 24, 2016, 11:32:04 PM »
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  • You're welcome.  

    I mentioned Fr. Pacwa because he's the only priest I've known to take on the topic of enneagrams with gusto.  He has written articles, books, and has given speeches and interviews over the years.  As I recall about 25 years ago, he gave speeches denouncing enneagrams, in which he explained that for a while he had gotten mixed up with the practice of using them (with other people), until he was blessed with discovering that they were leading him into perdition.  Then he was able to get away from them before it was too late for him.  So this is a powerful message from his personal experience.  I never gave them a second thought after that, but knowing what I did based on what he had explained, it was later very easy for me to see how wayward modern Church literature and even parish priests were becoming.  

    There is a "Catholic" book store, Pauline Books and Media, in Culver City, CA, where they have a whole section of inventory on NewAge, psychology, feminism, and the like.  I saw one book there that includes enneagrams in the topics covered.  So then I knew that there was something surely amiss in that whole section, and by extension, the whole store.  I tried to have a few conversations with the (apparent) nuns running the place and was in short order convinced they didn't really have much awareness of how NewAge materials and teachings are making a serious problem for what the Church teaches.

    Not long after that, I attended a special series of talks that were billed as theological instruction, given at a local parish in the San Fernando Valley.  They made it sound like it would be like a catechism class.  But it wasn't.  They held a meeting once a week for several weeks, before the priest/speaker started to get into what he had really been planning all along.  So it was a practice of deception!  At the third or fourth meeting he began to mention Thomas Merton, in tones of great reverence.  Then the next week, he quickly got into Merton after a brief introduction and then there was no looking back.  In retrospect, it had not been very clear to me what these talks had been trying to accomplish, but once he got into his pet subject of Merton, it was no longer questionable.  Ever since then, I have been highly suspicious of Thomas Merton fans, and today, I'd put Merton on par with enneagrams as something that some disoriented Christians might think is okay, when they're really not okay at all.  

    Remember Sister Lucia's diabolical disorientation.

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