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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Enjoy the possibility of a Eucharistic miracle
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2022, 11:33:57 PM »
Can you send him a letter politely cautioning him on believing such things? Do you think he still remembers you?

I've written to him here or there but have not received a response.  Nor does he really care what I think.

Re: Enjoy the possibility of a Eucharistic miracle
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2022, 03:57:02 AM »
Meh.

1) could be the way the light is shining on that gigantic host -- this reminds me of all those "miraculous photos" from Bayside and Medjugorje.  For all we know, in the festive NO atmosphere, there may be some kind of a strobe light or even disco ball present accounting for the rhythmic light pulsations

2) even if it were not just a light trick, these types of "miracles" are easily simulated by the devil, and even the ones where hosts might bleed of "become flesh" ... it's very simple for the devil to swap out a host

Why would the devil do this?  To persuade people of little faith that the NOM is legitimate and pleasing to God and valid.  And it's having precisely that effect.

Catholics don't do theology based on "miracles" but evaluate the miracles against Catholic theology.  One of the first things the Church examines with regard to private revelations is the orthodoxy of the messages.  If there's even a hint of heterodoxy, the Church refuses to accept them.

Sadly, we have even a lot of Trads using these miracles as evidence for the NOM being valid (even Bishop Williamson has taken them that way).  Even IF the NOM were valid, I don't believe that God would work these miracles if in fact, as we hold, the NOM is Protestantized bastard Mass (with the Catholic Offertory replaced by a тαℓмυdic blessing) that displeases God and harms souls ... because that would encourage people to believe that God approves of the NOM.

Be careful. The Pharisees said the same thing about the miracles wrought by Our Lord and said the miracles are of Beelzebub. If the Mass is valid, Our Lord is present, and He can certainly make use even of deficient rites like the NOM to bring souls closer to him. Of course this would make no sense to sedevacantists since the NOM is absolutely invalid from the sede point of view.


Re: Enjoy the possibility of a Eucharistic miracle
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2022, 04:00:49 AM »
I've written to him here or there but have not received a response.  Nor does he really care what I think.
I’ve written to him as well, not specifically about this, but he does tend to be attracted to dubious apparitions and locutions.  He acknowledges that many don’t agree with him, especially regarding the Poem.  I wouldn’t go so far as to have nothing to do with him because  he certainly doesn’t make agreement with him binding in conscience, more than can be said of many traditional priests and groups.  I think it’s a personal weakness with him, why?   Don’t know!  

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Enjoy the possibility of a Eucharistic miracle
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2022, 07:33:25 AM »
Be careful. The Pharisees said the same thing about the miracles wrought by Our Lord and said the miracles are of Beelzebub. If the Mass is valid, Our Lord is present, and He can certainly make use even of deficient rites like the NOM to bring souls closer to him. Of course this would make no sense to sedevacantists since the NOM is absolutely invalid from the sede point of view.

Oh, come on now.  This skepticism has absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to the Pharisees.  This has always been the attitude of the Catholic Church ... extreme skepticism about private revelations, miracles, etc., and the default reaction of the Church is not to accept them, unless they're proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  To liken this skepticism (according to the mind of the Church) to the Pharisees who accused Our Lord of working miracles through the devil is utterly preposterous.

No, absolutely not!  If the NOM is displeasing to God, as we know it is without any reasonable doubt, God will NOT work a miracle that might give people the impression that the NOM is acceptable and pleasing to Him ... even IF the NOM were valid.  In addition, God will not work miracles through the schismatics or heretics, as that would give the impression that those groups find favor with God.  Any "miracles" performed among those groups are either fakes or the work of the devil.  Catholic missionaries and exorcists routinely reported preternatural phenomena taking place among pagan religions, such as with voodoo in Africa, etc. ... all calculated to ensnare people in idolatry and superstition.

And stop it with the idiotic SV nonsense also, as it's not only SVs that doubt the validity of the NOM.  And, secondly, this question goes well beyond that of validity.  God would not be bringing "souls closer to God" by drawing them toward accepting the NOM.  That's an emotionalist view to religion.  Eucharistic miracles are relatively rare because faith is strengthened by NOT relying upon visible/sensible confirmation of what we know to be true.

It's precisely for this effect on weak-minded individuals (and individuals of weak faith) such as yourself that the devil works these types of spectacles.  We see it having its intended effect in posts such as yours, and in Bishop Williamson falling for the nonsense as well.

Re: Enjoy the possibility of a Eucharistic miracle
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2022, 10:35:46 AM »
There's an article about this on the spiritdailyblog.com today. I thought it was interesting, the priest says it happened several times between 9 and 11 o clock and not everyone there could see it. The church is in a devout area of Mexico, the "Cristero" region.