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Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
« on: May 23, 2020, 09:27:22 PM »
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  • I have heard about a movement very similar to the KJV Only movement in protestantism but it's Douay-Rheims Onlyism and I read that some traditionalists are this way where the Douay Rheims Bible is to them the best bible to read. I do know a lot about bad bible translations. But, my main question is why is this not a huge movement? Why is information on this movement scarce? And what advice can anyone give me on why the Douay-Rheims Bible is considered so important in traditionalist catholicism. I would love to hear because the Douay Rheims Bible is a beautiful bible and I would love to learn more about it and more about the Douay Rheims Onlyism movement while at the same time I am wondering why this isn't that big of a movement and if there is any more info I could gather.

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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #1 on: May 24, 2020, 09:44:08 AM »
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  • I have heard about a movement very similar to the KJV Only movement in protestantism but it's Douay-Rheims Onlyism ...But, my main question is why is this not a huge movement? Why is information on this movement scarce?
    There's no such "movement", that is why it is not a "huge movement". New to tradition people have a lot to learn and  the first advice given to them is basic, like use the St. Joseph Baltimore catechism written before the Novus Ordo, use the Douay-Rheims Bible, wear a Brown Scapular, do the rosary every day.....

    That is all it is.


    Now, my advise is not to just get any Douay-Rheims bible, but to get only one bible; The Haydock Douay-Rheims, which is a bible that is about 1/2 bible, 1/2 explanations of the bible by Church Fathers Doctors, Saints and trustworthy Catholic priests before modernism. If there was a movement, it should be to Haydock Douay-Rheims Onlyism.


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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #2 on: May 24, 2020, 10:16:17 AM »
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  • Is the Douay-Rheims printed by St. Benedict Press and TAN books a Challoner revision?

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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #3 on: May 24, 2020, 10:25:03 AM »
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  • There's no such "movement", that is why it is not a "huge movement". New to tradition people have a lot to learn and  the first advice given to them is basic, like use the St. Joseph Baltimore catechism written before the Novus Ordo, use the Douay-Rheims Bible, wear a Brown Scapular, do the rosary every day.....

    That is all it is.


    Now, my advise is not to just get any Douay-Rheims bible, but to get only one bible; The Haydock Douay-Rheims, which is a bible that is about 1/2 bible, 1/2 explanations of the bible by Church Fathers Doctors, Saints and trustworthy Catholic priests before modernism. If there was a movement, it should be to Haydock Douay-Rheims Onlyism.
    Link to the Haydock Bible online.
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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #4 on: May 24, 2020, 10:31:16 AM »
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  • Is the Douay-Rheims printed by St. Benedict Press and TAN books a Challoner revision?
    Yes.
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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2020, 10:33:47 AM »
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  • If you haven't read this book, you should. It shows the errors and inaccuracies of the other English translations, which totally spoil the original sense (meaning) of Scripture in certain key passages.

    Douay-Rheims all the way.

    "What Bible Should You Read" by Thomas A. Nelson.
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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2020, 10:42:04 AM »
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  • I own two Catholic Bibles, but thinking about it, I think it is best if us laymen did not read Bibles. Sacred Scripture is too far above us and difficult to understand, especially the Old Testament. There should be books of approved stories from the Bible chosen by priests for the laity to read, and perhaps people could read selected parts of the Gospels and the Psalms. But the Bible is not for everyone. Just as the Mass is in Latin and difficult for the laymen to understand and is a mystery, so should the Bible be in a sacred language, difficult to understand and a mystery.

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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2020, 11:05:12 AM »
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  • There's no such "movement", that is why it is not a "huge movement". New to tradition people have a lot to learn and  the first advice given to them is basic, like use the St. Joseph Baltimore catechism written before the Novus Ordo, use the Douay-Rheims Bible, wear a Brown Scapular, do the rosary every day.....

    That is all it is.


    Now, my advise is not to just get any Douay-Rheims bible, but to get only one bible; The Haydock Douay-Rheims, which is a bible that is about 1/2 bible, 1/2 explanations of the bible by Church Fathers Doctors, Saints and trustworthy Catholic priests before modernism. If there was a movement, it should be to Haydock Douay-Rheims Onlyism.
    Alright awesome. I don't own a Haydock Douay-Rheims Bible. I will have to read into that! I saw online that Haydock had some of the best commentaries on the bible.
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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2020, 11:05:52 AM »
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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #9 on: May 24, 2020, 11:06:54 AM »
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  • If you haven't read this book, you should. It shows the errors and inaccuracies of the other English translations, which totally spoil the original sense (meaning) of Scripture in certain key passages.

    Douay-Rheims all the way.

    "What Bible Should You Read" by Thomas A. Nelson.
    Thank you Matthew. I have never heard of this book. I will read that book. I love to read stuff like this.
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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #10 on: May 24, 2020, 11:37:09 AM »
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  • The Haydock and Challoner revisions are great, but the ORIGINAL Douay Rheims Bible which preceded them is in a class by itself.

    It is hard to come by, but someone was selling the original 3-vol set last week in a thread called “Thinning Out My Library.”

    It contains a publisher’s introduction listing all the differences compared to the Challoner and Haydock revisions which came hundreds of years later.

    The original contains annotated margin notes and end notes, and they are particularly brutal against the Protestant heresies (which this Bible was intended to combat).

    The only drawback is that to the modern reader, the old English spellings and alphabet take a bit of getting used to, and the typeset can be light in places, but it is the prototype and original DEFINITIVE Douay Rheims Bible, and all other versions are later modifications of it (some say better, some say worse).
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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #11 on: May 24, 2020, 12:39:32 PM »
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  • The Haydock and Challoner revisions are great, but the ORIGINAL Douay Rheims Bible which preceded them is in a class by itself.

    It is hard to come by, but someone was selling the original 3-vol set last week in a thread called “Thinning Out My Library.”

    It contains a publisher’s introduction listing all the differences compared to the Challoner and Haydock revisions which came hundreds of years later.

    The original contains annotated margin notes and end notes, and they are particularly brutal against the Protestant heresies (which this Bible was intended to combat).

    The only drawback is that to the modern reader, the old English spellings and alphabet take a bit of getting used to, and the typeset can be light in places, but it is the prototype and original DEFINITIVE Douay Rheims Bible, and all other versions are later modifications of it (some say better, some say worse).

    I suppose I should have mentioned that this is the only authentic Douay Rheims Bible (every other Bible calling itself the Douay Rheims is but an approximation of it).

    Per the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    "Although the Bibles in use at the present day by the Catholics of England and Ireland are popularly styled the Douay Version, they are most improperly so called; they are founded, with more or less alteration, on a series of revisions undertaken by Bishop Challoner in 1749-52 . . .

    The changes introduced by him were so considerable that, according to Cardinal Newman, they almost amounted to a new translation. So, also, Cardinal Wiseman wrote, 'To call it any longer the Douay or Rheimish Version is an abuse of terms. It has been altered and modified until scarcely any verse remains as it was originally published.' In nearly every case Challoner's changes took the form of approximating to the Authorized Version [King James]. . ."

    See the full CE article to explain more, which is brief, but very interesting: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05140a.htm
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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #12 on: May 24, 2020, 01:03:25 PM »
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  • Thanks for the information Sean. Here is a link to the 1610 DR bible online:

    https://archive.org/details/1610A.d.DouayOldTestament1582A.d.RheimsNewTestament_176/page/n5/mode/2up
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    « Reply #13 on: May 24, 2020, 01:28:06 PM »
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  • For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Douay-Rheims Onlyism?
    « Reply #14 on: May 24, 2020, 05:40:11 PM »
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  • I own two Catholic Bibles, but thinking about it, I think it is best if us laymen did not read Bibles. Sacred Scripture is too far above us and difficult to understand, especially the Old Testament. There should be books of approved stories from the Bible chosen by priests for the laity to read, and perhaps people could read selected parts of the Gospels and the Psalms.
    Very well said Dr. Matto, that is why I have a Haydock DR bible, it is 50% scripture and 50% explanations by the Church Fathers, Doctors, Saints, good priests. I do not think I have ever read much more that a 1/2 page of scripture from a regular bible, it just goes in one ear and out the other. Why ponder about scripture when I have Church Fathers, Doctors, Saints, good priests to explain it to me in the Haydock DR bible?