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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
« on: February 24, 2023, 09:11:42 PM »
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  • Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    This has always confused me. Some texts say 59 and others say 60. Does anyone have a definitive answer?
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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #1 on: February 24, 2023, 10:50:41 PM »
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  • Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    This has always confused me. Some texts say 59 and others say 60. Does anyone have a definitive answer?

    Here's what Jone says:




    So the way I read it, that means 59, i.e., the day you turn 59, you have "begun your sixtieth year", and are thus no longer obliged to fast.

    This may be a more "official" or "canonical" way of phrasing it, but it's confusing.  He just needed to say "from ages 21 through 58".

    I have "aged out" of fasting, but I keep the Ash Wednesday and Good Friday fasts as best I can --- due to health reasons, I can never guarantee that I can do it precisely, and in practice, it works out something like "2/3 of a meal" three times a day, for a total of two full meals.  I do have to take liquid nutrition, as I must receive small amounts of some kind of food or drink throughout the day, I usually do this with dairy or protein beverages.


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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #2 on: February 25, 2023, 04:24:04 AM »
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  • The 1917 Code......
    Canon 1254
    § 1. The law of abstinence binds all those who have completed seven years of age.
    § 2. All those are bound by the law of fast from the completion of the twenty-first year of age until the beginning of the sixtieth.

    I would say the "beginning of the sixtieth" means, does not begin until you hit 60.....because that's when you end your 59th year and begin your sixtieth year. lol
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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #3 on: February 25, 2023, 07:19:42 AM »
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  • But we begin our first year when we are born (age 0).  Therefore, I see the beginning of the 60th year as soon as we reach age 59.

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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #4 on: February 25, 2023, 08:46:27 AM »
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  • But we begin our first year when we are born (age 0).  Therefore, I see the beginning of the 60th year as soon as we reach age 59.

    Just realized this year I moved passed the obligatory fast requirement . . . under either measurement. A rather odd, disturbing feeling.
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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #5 on: February 25, 2023, 09:27:21 AM »
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  • I assume, health allowing, allowed  to fast past the age of 60?

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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #6 on: February 25, 2023, 10:10:19 AM »
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  • But we begin our first year when we are born (age 0).  Therefore, I see the beginning of the 60th year as soon as we reach age 59.
    Ya, this issue is old, and funny to me - always gives me a chuckle. I don't know if there's a right or wrong way to understand it really.

    When a baby is 1 month old, that's what we say, when he's 60 months old, we say he's 5 years old because that's how long he's been alive. If he died at 66 months we would say he died at 5 1/2 years old, not died after he had begun his 6th year, or was 6 months into his 6th year.     
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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #7 on: February 25, 2023, 10:11:34 AM »
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  • I assume, health allowing, allowed  to fast past the age of 60?
    My dad died at 86 and followed the rules of fasting his whole life.
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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #8 on: February 25, 2023, 10:28:59 AM »
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  • My dad died at 86 and followed the rules of fasting his whole life.
    That’s what I was thinking…will march on, thanks

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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #9 on: February 25, 2023, 12:52:37 PM »
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  • I assume, health allowing, allowed  to fast past the age of 60?

    Of course.  You can do any penance you wish, as a private devotion, with the caveat that extreme penances should only be carried out in consultation with a confessor or spiritual director.  I know that in Newchurch, some overly zealous souls will take on penances beyond what even traditional Church law called for (not to mention Newchurch law), because the flip side of the extreme laxity on one side is that others go way over the top --- one of them told me "but fish is meat too" and abstained accordingly --- and sometimes this is accompanied by following unapproved private revelations ("Holy Love" and so on) and other wacky, scrupulous practices and mindsets.  They're thirsty for a kind of direction that Newchurch doesn't provide, and sometimes they go too far.  They need to find a few good books from the old TAN catalog (when Mr Nelson owned it) and go with that, not with Newchurch "holy roller" spirituality.

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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #10 on: February 25, 2023, 01:28:27 PM »
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  • "All the faithful are bound to fast, unless dispensed or exempted....to their fifty-ninth year completed."  - H. Davis, SJ.  Moral and Pastoral Theology, Vol II.


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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #11 on: February 25, 2023, 05:21:16 PM »
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  • My dad died at 86 and followed the rules of fasting his whole life.
    My hubby is 82 and he does a complete fast (herbal tea only) every Friday, and abstinence from meat and two light meals, on Wednesdays.
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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #12 on: February 25, 2023, 06:13:28 PM »
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  • I think if you are healthy and not limited by any conditions, fasting can only be a benefit at any age. Prudence always but don't throw way a good thing if you can help it.

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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #13 on: February 25, 2023, 06:44:45 PM »
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  • "All the faithful are bound to fast, unless dispensed or exempted....to their fifty-ninth year completed."  - H. Davis, SJ.  Moral and Pastoral Theology, Vol II.

    Same difference as Canon Law, which just says that the it no longer obliges when the 60th year has begun.

    This means that as soon as you turn 59, you no longer have fast.

    When you turn 1, you've completed your first year.  When you turn 59, you've completed your 59th year.

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    Re: Does the age of fasting stop when you reach age 59 or 60?
    « Reply #14 on: February 25, 2023, 06:49:59 PM »
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  • This may be a more "official" or "canonical" way of phrasing it, but it's confusing.  He just needed to say "from ages 21 through 58".

    I think that would be more confusing.  Though 58 inclusive or exclusive?

    See, in many parts of the world, when you ask someone how old they are, there are different ways of counting vis-a-vis that 0 year.

    My Dad, Hungarian, when someone asked his age, would always "add one" when compared to the US way of thinking about it.  When he was, say, 59 by US standards, he would say he's 60 when asked.  I asked him about it, and he would respond, "I'm in my 60th year."  For them, they counted 0-1 as Year 1 of life.

    So Canon Law saying "not yet begun their 60th year" according to the same mindset as my Dad.  You COMPLETE your first year when you're 1 year old.  You BEGIN your 2nd year when you're 1 (by our standards).  So you always have to +1 from US standards.

    So someone who is (by US standards) 59 is no longer obliged to fast.

    This actually causes some confusion among computer programmers, by the way.  Some programmers count collections beginning with #1, and others 0.  In most computer languages, the first element of a collection starts with 0.  So if you have a list of 10 items, they would have the index or number from 0 to 9.

    Canon Law, as per usual, tries to be very precise.  They couldn't just say, "you have to fast until you're 59."  Until 59 inclusive or exclusive?  What does it mean to be "59"?  So Canon Law defines it as having completed your 59th year, which would happen on your 59th birthday.