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Does having children make you happy
« on: May 24, 2011, 10:24:54 AM »
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  • Does having children make you happy?
    By Katherine Dorsett, CNN

    (CNN) -- Thirty-one-year old Jessica Copeland says she knew by the time she was in high school that she never wanted to be a parent.

    "It is my decision, and the best decision for my life," said Copeland, a former veterinary technician from Chandler, Texas, now living in Dongducheon, South Korea, with her husband.

    "I know who I am and what I want in life, and know without a doubt children do not fit into that equation," she said. "I know that happiness does not have to include 2.5 children, a house in the suburbs and a white picket fence."

    Nearly one in five American women now ends her childbearing years without having a child, compared with one in ten in the 1970s, according to recently released U.S. Census data.

    The most educated women, those with bachelor's degrees or higher, are among the most likely never to have given birth, according to the Pew Research Center.

    Women like Copeland are challenging the idea that happy and fulfilled lives require children. In fact, other studies suggest that having children can have a negative impact on happiness.

    "As a group, parents of all types and all socioeconomic levels in the United States report more symptoms of depression and emotional distress than their childless adult counterparts," said Robin Simon, a Wake Forest University sociology professor who researches the association between parenthood and emotional well-being.

    Her information is based on a nationally representative study sampling 11,473 Americans. They were picked from all races, socioeconomic backgrounds and educational levels.

    Harvard psychology professor Daniel Gilbert's book "Stumbling on Happiness" looked at several studies and found that children give adults many things, but an "increase in daily happiness is probably not among them."

    He says that psychologists have found parents are less happy interacting with their kids than doing activities such as eating, watching television or even exercising.

    "It's such a counterintuitive finding, because we have these cultural beliefs that children are the key to happiness and a healthy life, and they're not," said Simon.
    I know who I am and what I want in life, and know without a doubt children do not fit into that equation.
    --Jessica Copeland

    "From the outside you see the detrimental effects of what our cultural beliefs cause, yet there is this group of people telling you children are the best thing that will ever happen to you," said Copeland.

    Copeland, an army military wife for the past year and a half, said she never felt any pressure to have any kids, and her family has been supportive of her choice.

    Outside her inner circle, however, the reception has been different. "The typical reaction I get is of dismay and pity," she noted.

    But Copeland, an only child, is far from feeling dismal and finds it ironic that people in her life with children often complain about their lifestyles.

    "I always find it interesting how parents complain about their kids, yet follow it with a statement pertaining to how fulfilling their life is," she said. "I have yet to meet a parent that does not have an almost daily story of how their child has stressed them in some way."

    Simon says there are other challenges for parents, too. The sociology professor said marital satisfaction decreases after the birth of the first child and continually decreases over time.

    Employment retention and earnings suffer for women in the U.S. when they have kids, too, according to research, cited by Jennifer Glass, a professor at the University of Iowa.
    We have these cultural beliefs that children are the key to happiness and a healthy life, and they're not.
    --Robin Simon, sociologist
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    "Research shows women in our country often lose out financially and in career advancement once they become a parent -- because the U.S. does not have the type of work policies to properly support families and child care, like other developed nations," said Glass.

    Raising a child is expensive, too. According to U.S. government figures, the average cost to raise a child from birth to age 17 is about $222,360 for a child born in 2009 (in 2009 dollars). That includes food, housing, transportation, clothing, health care, education, childcare, and other miscellaneous expenses.

    So what do current parents think of this research? It depends on whom you ask, says Simon.

    "I've received hate mail in the past from some parents after they've read about the studies, but often find that many parents feel liberated by the research," she said. "Parenting is a very difficult, stressful job, and many people who read the data discover they are not the only ones who feel overwhelmed by the tough work."

    Despite these findings, Simon, who is the mother of two grown children, doesn't say Americans should stop having kids and does not have an agenda to stop procreation.

    "The take-away from the research (is) that if you are a parent or want to become a parent, understand what you are getting yourself into and be prepared for a lot of hard work, sweat and tears -- even under the best of conditions," she said.

    Both Simon and Glass say parents in the U.S. often lack the proper support, child care and assistance to raise a child. They say they'd like to see the government implement and subsidize more "kid-friendly" policies to help families thrive.

    Simon and Glass are working on a project to compare the "emotional well-being" of U.S. parents versus parents from 21 other developed countries. They expect parents from countries with greater support systems than the U.S. to fare better, but don't want to make that assumption until their research is complete.

    Studies abound on this topic, and a recent one might provide some cheer to parents. Research published in the March issue of the journal Population and Development Review found the more children that parents over age 40 have, the happier they are. They used data from 86 countries for their research.

    The authors of this study say as children mature, they require less care and stress for parents -- and can become a source of support for moms and dads.

    In the meantime, Copeland says her marriage to her best friend and "the man of my dreams" is the only family she needs to create in her lifetime. She trusts her gut and her decision. She encourages others to make their own choices, and to respect hers, too.
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    Offline Matthew

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    « Reply #1 on: May 24, 2011, 10:26:20 AM »
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  • Ok, so she won't pass on her warped values to another generation. That's something we can at least be thankful for.

    Also, at least she rejects living in a subdivision -- I don't know how suburban her lifestyle is or isn't, though.
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    « Reply #2 on: May 24, 2011, 10:39:46 AM »
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    Ok, so she won't pass on her warped values to another generation. That's something we can at least be thankful for.

    Also, at least she rejects living in a subdivision -- I don't know how suburban her lifestyle is or isn't, though.


    Yes the following comment is nuts:

    "I know who I am and what I want in life, and know without a doubt children do not fit into that equation," she said. "I know that happiness does not have to include 2.5 children, a house in the suburbs and a white picket fence."

    Talk about the absence of an independent brain or thought process!

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    « Reply #3 on: May 24, 2011, 10:43:53 AM »
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  • Yeah, that quote stuck out for me, too.

    I don't know quite what to call it -- post-modern, jaded, cynical?

    Especially how she adds the "point 5" to the number of children. Actually, she's wrong. America, with Latino immigration considered, only has a reproduction rate of 2.1 -- precisely the bare minimum to maintain a culture.

    If I was being nice, I'd say it's good that she spits on the "American Dream" -- which you have to be asleep to believe in -- but she goes about it the wrong way. Perhaps no one has shown her the way... how sad.
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    Offline ora pro me

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    « Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 02:05:49 PM »
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  • To answer the question:
    Yes, having children makes me very happy.  
    Having grandchildren also makes me happy.
    I am very blessed.


    Offline Sigismund

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    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 05:33:06 PM »
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  • Ora Pro Me expressed my thoughts perfectly.

    Although, to be honest.  Perhaps my grandchildren make me a little happier.   :geezer:
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    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2011, 07:04:47 PM »
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  • What a sad human being.   :cry:

    Yes, my children make me happy.  They give my life meaning and purpose.  They make me feel needed and useful. I feel I can be completely "myself" in relationship to them.  They are now 17 and 19 years old and have become wonderful, decent, smart, kind and respectful young people.  I am extremely grateful that I have been able to participate in this wonderful blessing of God.

    If I'd been born and raised Catholic and understood the teachings of the Church, maybe things would have been different and I'd have had a large family.  If I'd had a large family, then I would probably still be raising children now and at least into my middle 50's.  

    As it is, there's not much to look forward to except becoming a Eucharistic Minister and Altar boy at the Novus Ordo Mass when I turn 50.   :rolleyes:

    Just kidding  :laugh1:

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    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2011, 10:13:13 PM »
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  • She's not going to live without children she is just spewing that propaganda for goyim.

    Culture of critique. Straight out of the Frankfurt School.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 27, 2011, 02:38:10 AM »
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  • I know kids make me mad. Then I daydream a bit about the life on a beach with room service nice clothes and cars a life of self indulgence. Its all very imaginary and doesnt exist. Only a tiny % might live like that but it is short lived, empty, and very depressing we all know of people who got their wish.

    How can anyone compare STUFF or even Pleasure to LIFE???? Every child is a sponge, a new beginning, YOU help form them, raise them. Does not every human being on the planet feel WAY better giving, loving, serving???

    We cannot run away from the fact that God made us to Love him and Love others it is part of who we are. To have children helps our Love to mature, our capacity to expand and grow. That never happens with a degree or money that gets spent on stuff.

    A warm hug, a smile, an outing, a memory are all things that we love and kids are full of that stuff especially if you teach them that first.  

    The world is full of lies and deceit hopefully we have Gods wisdom to see right through these things before its too late.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 08:14:28 AM »
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  • I am not a parent and so I must say that unfortunately I cannot speak from my own experience though I will still give my opinion.

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    The most educated women, those with bachelor's degrees or higher, are among the most likely never to have given birth, according to the Pew Research Center.

    Women like Copeland are challenging the idea that happy and fulfilled lives require children. In fact, other studies suggest that having children can have a negative impact on happiness.


    They seem to imply that having children is for the non-educated as the educated know better how to find happiness.

    The reason they are not having children is not because they are educated but rather because they are brainwashed.
    The other reason they don't have children is not because they know better but because they are too busy selfishly working towards their brainwashing.


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    "As a group, parents of all types and all socioeconomic levels in the United States report more symptoms of depression and emotional distress than their childless adult counterparts," said Robin Simon, a Wake Forest University sociology professor who researches the association between parenthood and emotional well-being.


    My guess is that yes parenting would have its challeges though a great deal of this emotional distress she speaks of is due to most modern parents not knowing how to discipline their children. Of course this will happen if you rear a little monster and teach him no respect.
    The modern false idea that children are little individuals that have an opinion that must be respected by the parents is garbage.
    I come across a lot of parents who tell me of their trials and they then tell me that they would never dare smack their child because that would be abuse

    I think this is perhaps a case of, you make the bed, now you must lay in it. Though unfortunately it won't be just the useless parents that will suffer the consequences but the whole society which is being made up of more and more of these spoilt self centred brats.


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    "It's such a counterintuitive finding, because we have these cultural beliefs that children are the key to happiness and a healthy life, and they're not," said Simon.
    I know who I am and what I want in life, and know without a doubt children do not fit into that equation.
    --Jessica Copeland


    You poor thing.


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    "Research shows women in our country often lose out financially and in career advancement once they become a parent -- because the U.S. does not have the type of work policies to properly support families and child care, like other developed nations," said Glass.


    In a world were the only thing of value is the almight $$$$ this is not surprising. Man is rich in proportion to what he can do without and how many Saints he can raise.


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    "I've received hate mail in the past from some parents after they've read about the studies,


    Well thats not surprising.


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    Despite these findings, Simon, who is the mother of two grown children, doesn't say Americans should stop having kids and does not have an agenda to stop procreation.


    Are you sure about that?

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    "The take-away from the research (is) that if you are a parent or want to become a parent, understand what you are getting yourself into and be prepared for a lot of hard work, sweat and tears -- even under the best of conditions," she said.


    Did she discover the wheel? Life is not a honeymoon or fairyland. Maybe the term sacrifice is not in her dictionary.

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    Both Simon and Glass say parents in the U.S. often lack the proper support, child care and assistance to raise a child. They say they'd like to see the government implement and subsidize more "kid-friendly" policies to help families thrive.


    Yes like a policy to STOP funding Planned Parenthood. Thats not very "kid-friendly"!

    Perhaps when parents stop aborting their first two or three children they may also find that they are more emotionally capable to deal with them.  :idea:



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    « Reply #10 on: May 29, 2011, 03:50:06 PM »
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  •  :applause: Zenith.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 05, 2011, 03:17:44 PM »
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  • I'm not a father, but I can say that children may make a person sane. The responsibilities concomitant with parenthood provide for some people (who have not the profession or practice of the faith) the only motivation to be functioning member of society and to aspire to ideals that they would not have otherwise bothered to even consider. Children may discover to them a world of values that transcend the materialistic horizontalist brainwashed view of life that most people can often have. Children may given them a reason to live.

    A recent example:

    I remember Aron Ralston account of his experience at Blue John Canyon in Utah, when he spoke of a vision or hallucination wherein he saw a little boy at the fifth day or so of his being trapped because of his arm being crushed by a large boulder. He was near death. At the vision or hallucination, he immediately intuited that death was no option for him because he wanted to live to engender the son that was shown to him. The natural impulse and inclination for fatherhood was what ultimately gave him the necessary fortitude to hack off his arm and get out of there. He now has a little boy with his wife, whom he met since the accident.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.