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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Offline TxTrad

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #180 on: June 27, 2018, 01:01:57 PM »
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  • I'm not an expert on this movement but I do know it's more complex than you make it out to be.  Some of the men in the movement are tired of DATING; they're tired of dealing with feminist women, period.  They're not even thinking about marrige/divorce, because they can't even find a decent woman who wants to go to dinner, (who isn't selfish, self-absorbed, emotionally unstable and with a "disney complex" view of who their prince charming should be and what they "deserve").
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    Men and women both have difficulty.  My daughter is having a terrible time finding a young man who doesn't want to marry her to have her be the money maker.
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    These apply to women as well as men:



    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #181 on: June 27, 2018, 01:40:01 PM »
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    In my experiences here in TX, women get awarded much LESS than 50%.  If she is abused and leaves the house, the court awards the house to the husband because she abandoned the house...  the 50% divides the assests since the marriage began.  It has nothing to do with the children.
    TX is probably a fairer state to men, than let's say the Northeast or West Coast.  TX is probably more libertarian than most states, whose laws are repressive and suffocating.


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    Regarding the children... If she is the primary caretaker of the children, and she earns less than the father (which is usually the case)  she most certainly SHOULD get child support from the father.  She should not have to support their children alone.  It is his moral duty to support his children.  It is not an option for him to choose.
    Many times, she's the primary caretaker because she STOLE the children from the husband when she destroyed the marriage by leaving.  Again, you falsely and rashly assume the man is going to leave them destitute.  Deep down, you don't trust men.


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    It IS the courts business only because there are so many men who don't fulfill their moral obligation to their children.  It is the result of a godless society.
    Again, back to reminding everyone of the "moral obligation" of the man to support his family, while the "moral obligation" of the woman to obey her husband and not kill the marriage and steal the children is pushed to the background.  "I'm sure she had a good reason to leave."  "He wasn't a good husband, so she had to leave to give a better life to her children."

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    You act as though the child support from the husband is more than enough to pay for everything for his children with some left over for the mother to spend how she chooses.
    Your above comments are MISSING THE POINT.  This whole debate covers many topics, but a large one in my mind is politics.  The encroachment of the state, the growing big brother state/federal govts, the freemasonic influence in our lives - all of this is a political problem.  I look at all of this through a libertarian viewpoint.  The state has no business being involved, and even if they did (in the case of violence), their involvement should be minimized, purely from a politics standpoint.  I want as limited govt as possible, everywhere, in all aspects of life.

    Secondly, of course child support isn't enough from 1 person.  No one ever said it was.  If the woman left for non-church-approved reasons, her life should be rough.  She should feel the pain of her sin and violation of her vows and the mockery she made of her promise before God.  ...But the topic all of you feminist-supporters concentrate on, is what the husband owes the wife so that she can steal the children, raise them on her own and be satisfied with her decision.

    I've said this at least 10x already, but i'll say it again - if a wife were to leave for church approved reasons, the husband owes whatever the courts say.  If she leaves for non-church-approved reasons, she should get ADEQUATE help from her husband (as he decides, just as he decided before the divorce), and the courts should be involved minimally, because SHE INITITATED THIS CRISIS.  Therefore, she should feel SOME consequences for her actions in this life, even though most of her consequences will be felt in eternity.

    If the husband decides to give most of his $ to her and his children, then he can.  BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE OBLIGATED BY THE COURTS, because THE HUSBAND IS THE PARTY WHO WAS INJURED.  Most of you have failed to admit this, even though both real-life examples from Ladislaus showed clearly that the wife's leaving of the marriage was her fault and for selfish reasons only.

    It's sad so many of you hate and distrust men.  The media and hollywood have brainwashed you for sure.  You should pray for God to remove your deep mistrust.


    Offline TxTrad

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #182 on: June 27, 2018, 04:52:16 PM »
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  • if a wife were to leave for church approved reasons, ...

     and the courts should be involved minimally, because SHE INITITATED THIS CRISIS.  
    If she has a church-approved reason to leave then she didn't start the crisis, nor should she punished for it.

    P.s.  I don't hate or mistrust men anymore than I hate or distrust women.  I am cautious of both.

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #183 on: June 27, 2018, 05:37:53 PM »
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  • TX,
    You couldn’t have taken my comments more out-of-context.  You copied/pasted 2 different scenarios and made them look like 1 thought.  You’re either extremely dishonest or have a bad case of ADHD!

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #184 on: June 27, 2018, 05:41:39 PM »
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    My daughter is having a terrible time finding a young man who doesn't want to marry her to have her be the money maker.
    Based on your comments on the other thread, where you presume many men are violent and abusive (which is often a feminist excuse to avoid being obedient), your daughter probably picked up your extreme prejudiced ideals and only attracts wimpy men.  


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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #185 on: June 27, 2018, 07:31:01 PM »
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  • TX,
    You couldn’t have taken my comments more out-of-context.  You copied/pasted 2 different scenarios and made them look like 1 thought.  You’re either extremely dishonest or have a bad case of ADHD!
    I re-read your other post.  So sorry.  Must be ADHD today... 

    Offline TxTrad

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #186 on: June 27, 2018, 07:33:31 PM »
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  • Based on your comments on the other thread, where you presume many men are violent and abusive (which is often a feminist excuse to avoid being obedient), your daughter probably picked up your extreme prejudiced ideals and only attracts wimpy men.  
    I do not presume.  What I said was that it happens more than we think. 
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    I never use the words probably as much as you and cdf have.  Talk about prsumption...

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #187 on: June 28, 2018, 10:14:43 AM »
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  • Does a prenup protect the woman in cases where the husband cheats and leaves her penniless forced to support herself and her children? 


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    « Reply #188 on: June 28, 2018, 10:27:45 AM »
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    I do not presume.  What I said was that it happens more than we think. 
    How do you know how much I think it happens?  How do you know how much ANYONE thinks it happens?  Yes, you presumed much.
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    Does a prenup protect the woman in cases where the husband cheats and leaves her penniless forced to support herself and her children? 
    Yes, already been mentioned.

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #189 on: July 02, 2018, 03:35:35 PM »
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  • A state marriage license is essentially contractual submission of the man to his wife being romanced by the state.

    Moreover, the woman can even be guilty of having an affair with real people, and proceed to "divorce" her husband simply for the reason of her not loving her husband anymore, and the courts will still rule in her favor. She will be awarded the man's house, assets, money, car, etc., regardless of her being at fault for the "divorce".

    Men, make sure you have a prenuptial agreement to your satisfaction that's signed by the woman before you get married; and don't get a state marriage license. All you need is to be married by the Church.

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #190 on: September 24, 2019, 02:00:02 PM »
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  • Several women have made the argument that when couples get married, they should entrust everything to God, therefore the prenup should be avoided, because a prenup shows a lack of trust in each other, so there must not be real love involved. If that is their argument, then why do they demand a State marriage license, if they entrust their marriage to God, and they feel they and their husbands should try to live up to an ideal spousal trust? Why do they feel they need legal validation from the State?

    Can you see the contradiction? The women demand trust of each other (husband & wife) only when the women are allowed to have leverage of taking the husband's hard-earned assets, home & money through a "divorce", and in order to allow this leverage to remain, there should be no outside force (prenup) disrupting it. Conversely and in contradiction, they demand an outside force - the State - to be involved in their marriage in a state contract (license) as a 3rd party.

    Wake up from your slumber, "men".


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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #191 on: September 24, 2019, 02:11:00 PM »
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  • All you need is to be married by the Church.

    Agreed... however, how many priests out there will do so without first having seen a license?  Serious question, as I know both N.O. and traditional priests who have conveyed that they wouldn't allow any marriage to proceed unless first obtaining a marriage license. 

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    « Reply #192 on: September 24, 2019, 02:13:37 PM »
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  • Well it isn't obvious who Syracuse is at all.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #193 on: September 24, 2019, 02:34:04 PM »
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    Agreed... however, how many priests out there will do so without first having seen a license?  Serious question, as I know both N.O. and traditional priests who have conveyed that they wouldn't allow any marriage to proceed unless first obtaining a marriage license. 

    Find a new priest. He's ignorant of the despotic, Antichrist system that is, also, anti-family ("divorce" breaks up families) and anti-men.

    70% divorce rate and rising in the USA. If you were going to skydive, and you were told that there's a 70% probability that the parachute won't open, would you still jump? Most "divorces" are initiated by the wife, even if no reason is given.
    The civil contract of involving the state as a 3rd party in your marriage gives the court system the power neuter men. Look at the latest thread about the trad Catholic man whose Jezebel wife "divorced" him and took everything from him including his children.

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    Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
    « Reply #194 on: September 24, 2019, 02:45:01 PM »
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  • Find a new priest.

    Very easily said; not so easily done.

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    He's ignorant of the despotic, Antichrist system that is, also, anti-family ("divorce" breaks up families) and anti-men.

    That about sums up the entirety of, well, all of Western civilization, including first and foremost the United States.  So where do you live?