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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #115 on: June 25, 2018, 07:32:52 PM »
The female Jew's scorn is a Hell fury on earth. They hate truth more than the average Jezebel. Look at what the female Jew did to St. John the Baptist. She had him murdered and beheaded.

They subvert men in order to black mail them into doing Satan's work.
      
       Tis' true!

       Miss Salome was so ambitious...

   She plotted for the head of an "Angel".

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #116 on: June 25, 2018, 08:52:02 PM »
Further, the 'appeal to chuch authorities' is often used by "catholic" women to subvert a husband's authority.  A woman takes a VOW to obey her husband in all things; she does not take a vow to obey her priest in all things, she must only obey him in spiritual things (normally he's not involved, and doesn't want to be involved in your day-to-day life).  Most of the time, marital conflicts are over things - where to live, what kind of car to get, etc, etc.  When a woman appeals to a priest to sort these things out, the priest has no authority to fix this problem.  And a woman is bound by vow to listen to her husband, but since she doesn't want to give him full control, she appeals to the Church to de-leverage him.

Not saying it happens alot, but it does happen.

I don't know why nothing but down votes for this post... either PV struck a nerve, or some people aren't paying attention. 

I  can attest that this type of behavior is more common than I think most people might  realize.


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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #117 on: June 26, 2018, 01:05:19 AM »
I don't know why nothing but down votes for this post... either PV struck a nerve, or some people aren't paying attention.

I  can attest that this type of behavior is more common than I think most people might  realize.
The image conjured of the priest out car shopping with one of his married parishioners just made me laugh.  :laugh1:  But, alas, no button available for that. I think we need an upgrade.  :jumping2:

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #118 on: June 26, 2018, 06:33:03 AM »
I still don't understand your reasoning about the prenup.  If your wife leaves you, even if it were 100% her fault (usually it's not that unilateral), are you not still obliged before God to continue providing for your children?  And providing for your wife also indirectly aids your children.  So I have no problem with the way the current court system works in making sure that a wife and children are provided for even after a separation.  It's actually very well in line with Catholic moral theology.  As I've repeatedly said, this idea of it being "unjust" to divide marital assets and make the husband provide for his wife and children comes from this notion that if she leaves due to her own fault that she is no longer entitled to receive support for her children from the husband.  That's false.  And in such a scenario, why does the husband need to retain all his goods?  So he can start a new family?  Finally, in the traditional roles, often the wife stays at home to raise the children and therefore does not develop a career that she could fall back on to support herself and her children.  Consequently, all the MORE reason that the husband should be legally bound to provide support.  This secular thinking regarding prenups is contrary to Catholic thinking in a lot of ways.

Now, the one thing that IS unjust about the divorce laws, is this notion that the wife nearly always retains primary custody of the children.  In a Catholic state, if she moved out and shacked up with someone, she should NOT receive custody of the children because of the horrible influence it is for the children to grow up in a household that's sinful in its makeup.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #119 on: June 26, 2018, 08:35:13 AM »
... Finally, in the traditional roles, often the wife stays at home to raise the children and therefore does not develop a career that she could fall back on to support herself and her children.  Consequently, all the MORE reason that the husband should be legally bound to provide support.  This secular thinking regarding prenups is contrary to Catholic thinking in a lot of ways.

This occurred to me as well, so I'm glad you brought it up.