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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

Author Topic: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?  (Read 24067 times)

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #85 on: June 24, 2018, 08:36:14 PM »
Great, but you're 1 couple out of a 100,000 trad couples.  Do you deny that trads have NEVER divorced?  Does 1 couple 'set the rule' for all couples?  
No, there are many trad couples who have been married long term without a pre-nup and have not seriously considered divorce, even during rough patches. My husband and I joke that if worse came to worse we'd just paint a white line down the middle and go on about our business because it would be too hard to start over. I don't think the statistic you pulled out of your hat is accurate.

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2018, 08:38:54 PM »
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Presuming priest-approved separation and priest-approved return:
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If he wants her to come home and she does not want to return, she can't go to the courts and attempt to get money or custody.
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If she wants to come home and he does not want her to return, he can't seek custody and has to allow her to receive financial support from him as the courts see fit.
Yeah, if a prenup existed, you could enforce the above.  If there is no prenup, then you could not enforce the above because the husband has ZERO LEVERAGE.  And really, the priest has low leverage too.  The woman can ignore both of them, or not.  She can go the courts and get money, or not.  She can destroy a marriage, or not.  COMPLETELY up to her.  This is insanity and is feminism in all its horror on display.

A prenup gives leverage back to the husband, so that the wife cannot control his money (which for an evil woman means she controls him and gets revenge on him), because he is THE HEAD OF THE FAMILY and she does not have the right to destroy the marriage or leave and take the children for non-church approved reasons.  A prenup is more about authority, and the lack of authority over the family that the system gives men (which is their God-given RIGHT).  Thus, it can be argued that a prenup shifts the authority and control of marital discord back to where it belongs - in the hands of the Church and the husband.  


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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2018, 08:42:54 PM »
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All couples can choose commitment to their vows as my husband and I did.

I'm not tempted to x, y or z, therefore anyone can avoid this sin.  ??  Dumbest argument i've ever heard.


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No, there are many trad couples who have been married long term without a pre-nup and have not seriously considered divorce, even during rough patches.
Many but not all.  Most marriages in the trad world stay together, but not all.  Prenups are for 'emergency situations.'

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2018, 08:45:01 PM »
Jaynek, don't evade my last response. Here it is, again:

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Jaynek says:

False analogy. Nobody chooses to have a car accident, but one (at least) of the spouses, must choose a divorce.  It is not something that happens to them by accident.
You're deliberately missing the forest for the trees. What matters is the end, not the means. The end is the "divorce" (car accident), not what led to it (means). A prenup protects the man from having his home, money, and everything else stolen from him by the woman. Car insurance protects a person from getting sued, and it pays for damages to their cars.


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Jaynek says:

It is prudent to have car insurance because car accidents are beyond one's control.  Divorce is up to the couple.  No matter what the divorce rate is, a couple only gets divorced if one of them chooses it.
Your last sentence supports my argument and nullifies what you said just prior to it. Divorce isn't up to the man when his wife can "divorce" him for any reason, and no reason at all, through no fault of his own. Hence, the divorce is, indeed, beyond his control. Court cases prove it.


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Jaynek says:

Making a prenup is preparing for divorce. It shows one believes that at least one of the spouses is capable of choosing divorce.
Yes, it prepares for a "divorce", if it were to unfortunately come, but it's not expecting it. It's only prudent to prepare for the worst, especially when the trend is growing as time passes.  I see you tried to change your language around ("preparing for" replaced "expecting") to make your point valid, but you only supported my point. Thanks.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2018, 09:16:52 PM »
Also, from what I an tell, the men who are agreeing with you about prenups are single and the ones disagreeing are married.  The people with experience are against having a prenup and it is supported by those who only imagine what marriage is like.  This in itself is a good indicator that prenups are a bad idea.

Uhhh... just maybe some of us "people with experience" with being married have better things to do than to participate in this conversation... as a matter of fact, I tend to side with the objective concerns of Croix de Fer than those, as a whole, who seem to be in disagreement primarily based on emotion. 

Please don't include me, and I'm sure that there are others, in your very limited cross section of participants in this matter. 

BTW, I'm happily married, BUT, I'm not blind to the all out attack by the Devil against men and the family.