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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

Author Topic: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?  (Read 24006 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2018, 04:47:42 PM »
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Again, the mentality that the husband has somehow been wronged by forcing to pay child support or alimony comes implicitly from the notion that the wronged husband should be able to start a new family.
Disagree.  It has to do with an injustice and an undue burden on men, which forces them to live in poverty for the rest of their lives.  Some would want to get re-married, some would not.  The question is:  does the court return just and fair decisions in family court?  Absolutely not.  The intentions of the injured party, and what they plan on doing AFTER the divorce is irrelevant to the main concern of court injustice.


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Both the husband and wife see the faults of the other and see the other as the cause of the marriage problems.  Both see themselves as the injured party, so how are they going to implement a prenup designed to protect the injured party?  Who is going to make the decision about who is at fault?  They have both committed mortal sins.  How could a prenup have envisioned the situation they are facing?
Lawyers make a living figuring these things out.  Have you ever read a leasing contract?  It covers almost every imaginable situation and is not over 20 pages long.

In your scenario, both spouses are at fault for causing turmoil, but still, the spouse who issues divorce proceedings (absent a church allowance) IS AT FAULT.  If the wife feels the need to separate for a time (assuming it is ok'ed by the Church) then ok.  If she were to go through with civil divorce, she must face the consequences of her abandonment of the marriage.  The husband still has a strict duty to support her and his children but THE COURTS WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED.  This is the PRIMARY purpose of all of this.  

Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2018, 05:00:43 PM »
In your scenario, both spouses are at fault for causing turmoil, but still, the spouse who issues divorce proceedings (absent a church allowance) IS AT FAULT.  If the wife feels the need to separate for a time (assuming it is ok'ed by the Church) then ok.  If she were to go through with civil divorce, she must face the consequences of her abandonment of the marriage.  The husband still has a strict duty to support her and his children but THE COURTS WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED.  This is the PRIMARY purpose of all of this.
I completely disagree with this. If they are married but living apart and she needs assistance from the government, she'll be forced to file for a divorce. This is not denying that she is still married, but acknowledging that she's in need of financial assistance and isn't going to get it from her husband. This does not mean she's abandoned the marriage and does not mean she's certainly at fault.
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This presumes he isn't covering her expenses, but that isn't a crazy idea as most single-income earners cannot afford to provide for 2 households.


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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2018, 05:09:51 PM »
I wouldn't enter a prenup.  I recognize that I am obliged before God to provide for my wife and children ... even if my wife were to leave me for no fault of my own.  I would give them more than what the divorce settlements typically provide.
My own *non-Catholic, non-religious* father had this attitude. Some 25 years after he divorced my mother and children are no longer an issue, he still feels a responsibility to make sure her basic needs are met. Now, he's seldom had to put this to practice as she's quite self-sufficient, but the attitude is still there. He's repaired her porch, painted her house ... these days he just makes sure my brothers take care of whatever she needs which isn't difficult because they have a similar attitude about taking care of their aging parents.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2018, 05:15:58 PM »
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If they are married but living apart and she needs assistance from the government, she'll be forced to file for a divorce. 
The Church does not, and never has, condoned long-term separation.  A separation would be for 2-4 weeks.  Long term separation is immoral.

Secondly, you're assuming the man wouldn't support his wife during the separation.  Again, if the Church approved of it, he would have to go along.  If he didn't, then that's a larger issue which I don't know enough about to answer.  I'm sure she can get some friends to help for 2-4 weeks and figure out a housing situation.


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she'll be forced to file for a divorce. This is not denying that she is still married, but acknowledging that she's in need of financial assistance and isn't going to get it from her husband. This does not mean she's abandoned the marriage and does not mean she's certainly at fault.
No one is FORCED to file for divorce (see how the liberal mindset has already crept into your psyche?).  The only EXTREME case would be to protect your privacy or finances from an abusive/violent or gambling/drug problem.  But this is extreme.

All of you women are jumping to conclusions and 'worst case' scenarios, when in fact, most divorces are for petty, frivolous and "emotional" reasons.  Stop watching lifetime movies.

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2018, 05:18:26 PM »

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I recognize that I am obliged before God to provide for my wife and children ... even if my wife were to leave me for no fault of my own.  I would give them more than what the divorce settlements typically provide.
The point is that you wouldn't be ABLE to give more than the courts told you too, because you'd be left to live on $400 a month, which is impossible.  You wouldn't be able to fix the leaky pipe, paint the house or whatever, because you'd be working a 2nd job just to survive.