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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

Author Topic: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?  (Read 19733 times)

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2018, 08:24:12 AM »
Not sure what you're asking, but there is no real divorce in the Eyes of God. The State will grant the divorce. The prenup will protect the man from getting his house, equity, bank accounts, assets, etc. stolen from him by the woman divorcing him, if there is no evidence of any fault of his own that lead to the divorce (many women nowadays divorce men because the women don't feel like being married anymore), and the prenup is written to protect him in such manner. Of course, the prenup and outcome of the "divorce" depends on how the prenup is written (and signed) in accordance to the wishes of both parties involved.
Although I understand the need to want to financially protect the man, I see a pre-nup as saying, "I don't really trust you when you promise to God that you will remain married to me "until death to us part"".  And if the supposedly Catholic couple doesn't trust one another to remain faithful to God in this matter, then perhaps they shouldn't be getting married in the first place.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2018, 08:28:04 AM »
Several women have made the argument that when couples get married, they should entrust everything to God, therefore the prenup should be avoided, because a prenup shows a lack of trust in each other, so there must not be real love involved. If that is their argument, then why do they demand a State marriage license, if they entrust their marriage to God, and they feel they and their husbands should try to live up to an ideal spousal trust? Why do they feel they need legal validation from the State?

Can you see the contradiction? The women demand trust of each other (husband & wife) only when the women are allowed to have leverage of taking the husband's hard-earned assets, home & money through a "divorce", and in order to allow this leverage to remain, there should be no outside force (prenup) disrupting it. Conversely and in contradiction, they demand an outside force - the State - to be involved in their marriage in a state contract (license) as a 3rd party.

Wake up from your slumber, "men".


Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2018, 08:58:41 AM »
"Demand" state marriage licenses? 

Are state marriage licenses even an option?  When I got married, I just took that as routine procedure.   

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2018, 09:08:30 AM »
Anything less than long and complicated would not do the complexities of the many possible situations any justice unless you can simply turn authority of the situation over to an entity of the Church. (But, we all know impossible that would be in today's Church situation.)
Yes, even if it were possible to create a Catholic version of a prenup, one that did not undermine the permanence of marriage, there is the problem of the complexity of marriage breakdowns.  It is rarely a matter of an all-good spouse dealing with an all-bad spouse.

Here is a hypothetical scenario to illustrate what I mean:

After the birth of their first child, the wife (due to sleep deprivation, hormone changes, adjusting to motherhood, etc.) loses interest in sɛҳuąƖ intimacy.  She becomes cold toward her husband, reluctant to fulfill the marital debt, and sees him as excessively demanding.  In response, the husband gives in to the temptation to use pornography and masturbation.  Over time, he becomes addicted and begins to prefer fantasy sex to intimacy with a real woman.  This leaves the wife feeling betrayed and hurt.  She would be interested in intimacy now, but cannot compete with the porn.  While in this state, she is tempted by another man who makes her feel loved and desirable again and she commits adultery.  The husband finds out when she becomes pregnant and he beats her.  A couple of days later the wife has a miscarriage which she blames on her husband.  At this point she thinks of him as violent and murderous. She wants to leave him and get a civil divorce.

Both the husband and wife see the faults of the other and see the other as the cause of the marriage problems.  Both see themselves as the injured party, so how are they going to implement a prenup designed to protect the injured party?  Who is going to make the decision about who is at fault?  They have both committed mortal sins.  How could a prenup have envisioned the situation they are facing?

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2018, 10:10:58 AM »
"Demand" state marriage licenses?

Are state marriage licenses even an option?  When I got married, I just took that as routine procedure.  
When I got married, I looked into only having a Church marriage and it wasn't possible.  Getting married in the Church was automatically registered with the state.
This was in Canada.  I have heard it works differently in different countries.