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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2018, 06:11:05 PM »
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is like being told, "I love you.  I don't agree in divorce.  I should trust you to keep your vow before God.  But deep down I really don't.  I think you'll cop out sometime.  Or try to manipulate me.  Would you mind signing this?" 
If the court system were catholic and fair, then I agree.  As it is, the system is so skewed that, in essence, women have a court-ordered prenup by law.  As soon as a man marries a woman, by law, he's financially screwed if she ever gets a divorce (even if she doesn't remarry).  

It's like a gun being pointed at a man by a woman's brother (who's a nut), who threatens that if the wife ever called him he would not hesitate to kill the husband.  And the man says, "Hey man, I'm going to marry your sister and I love her, but won't you trust me, calm down, and get out of our life?"  And the wife says to the husband, "Oh honey, we love each other and I would never tell him to shoot you, just trust me."  And the man is supposed to continue on with the marriage, even though the threat still exists and the brother can be called anytime.  Yet if the husband asks the wife to agree to call the cops on the brother and stop his threatening ways, then the husband is guilty of not trusting the wife.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2018, 06:21:44 PM »
I could not support anything designed to anticipate divorce or make it easier. 


Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2018, 06:27:28 PM »
I could not support anything designed to anticipate divorce or make it easier.
Prenups don't anticipate "divorces". They protect the parties involved in the prenup in accordance to their wishes in the docuмent, if a "divorce" occurs.

Prenups don't make "divorces" easier. It's the opposite. They make them more difficult because a woman isn't going to "divorce" her husband when she knows she can't take the house, car, assets, and bank account of the man.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2018, 07:02:28 PM »
Not saying this applies to you, but isn't it reasonable to consider that if a woman rejects a prenup, it's an ominous sign that she will also be disobedient to her husband after marriage? If she doesn't trust the man at the moment he wants a prenup and he wants to get married, why should the man think she will be obedient and follow his lead after they're married?
A whole bunch of women on the forum have all given the same reaction.  A prenup gives us the message that the man I am planning to marry does not trust me to keep my marriage vow.

It's insulting and hurtful.  That is a major reason why we are all rejecting the idea.  I know that many of the women saying this are already married and believe very strongly in the husband's headship and wife's duty to obey him. 

These are faithful, obedient wives telling you this.  We are not gold diggers who are planning to take the money and run.  We are traditional Catholics who take Church teaching seriously.  You keep claiming that rejection of a prenup means that a woman must have bad motives or be a bad wife, but it is clear that this is simply not so.

Also, from what I an tell, the men who are agreeing with you about prenups are single and the ones disagreeing are married.  The people with experience are against having a prenup and it is supported by those who only imagine what marriage is like.  This in itself is a good indicator that prenups are a bad idea.

Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2018, 07:09:16 PM »
The example you provided (where I assume you were talking about a trad cath) wherein she got a divorce during a separation for monetary reasons, is frivolous, emotional and petty.

You also assumed that just because a couple was separated that the man would automatically abandon them financially.  That's a pretty anti-male attitude, but in our day and age, that's normal.  Most women have this type of thinking, even if it's not voluntary.  Shows the depths of modernism that we've all been infected with (including me).
A) Feeding yourself and your children is not frivolous and petty.
B) I said even if it was his intention to support them, he would likely not be able to keep up with his own expenses plus that of a second household... one or the other including children.

My example presumed a long-term separation. If the "contract" terminates after a 4-week separation is exceeded, the example is irrelevant.