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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2018, 05:21:31 PM »
I think that is the way [state marriage licenses automatically registered when getting married by the Church] it is here in the US as well.
No, it's not. It depends on the state. My own state's marriage license is a separate process from getting married by the Church. You can even get a state marriage license without getting married in any religious ceremony.

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2018, 05:22:08 PM »
I do not agree with pre-nuptial agreements.  If my husband were to have asked me to sign one before we got married, I would have been insulted!  I should think that two people who are considering something as serious as the sacrament of Matrimony should A) have chosen Godly spouses and B)  know the person they're getting married to well enough to know how they handle disputes and whether they have the integrity to stick it out when things get hard.  Being asked to sign such a docuмent, even one similar to what Croix suggested, is like being told, "I love you.  I don't agree in divorce.  I should trust you to keep your vow before God.  But deep down I really don't.  I think you'll cop out sometime.  Or try to manipulate me.  Would you mind signing this?" 


Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2018, 05:27:41 PM »
The Church does not, and never has, condoned long-term separation.  A separation would be for 2-4 weeks.  Long term separation is immoral.
I've never heard there was a time limit on separation. I'd be interested to see where this is outlined.
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Of course, it's difficult to discuss this fictional docuмent, but I'd presume at whatever point one of the parties deviated from Church teaching, their rights as described in the docuмent would be void.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2018, 05:30:59 PM »
I do not agree with pre-nuptial agreements.  If my husband were to have asked me to sign one before we got married, I would have been insulted!  I should think that two people who are considering something as serious as the sacrament of Matrimony should A) have chosen Godly spouses and B)  know the person they're getting married to well enough to know how they handle disputes and whether they have the integrity to stick it out when things get hard.  Being asked to sign such a docuмent, even one similar to what Croix suggested, is like being told, "I love you.  I don't agree in divorce.  I should trust you to keep your vow before God.  But deep down I really don't.  I think you'll cop out sometime.  Or try to manipulate me.  Would you mind signing this?"
But what about women who change after marriage, and they're no longer the person whom the man loved entering the marriage? And she proceeds to "divorce" him? How does the man protect himself and all that he's earned & built from the woman using the courts to take it all?

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2018, 05:32:01 PM »
Secondly, you want a man to trust you wholeheartedly and trust in God that a divorce would never happen.  Yet in the example you give, a divorce is gotten and she moves out after SHE CHEATED, and that's ok.  How is that fair?  I don't think the Church would allow her to divorce due to a need for $, so if she did go along with it, she is doing an immoral act.

Let's pretend that a woman didn't do anything wrong and she just needs to separate from the man due to his pornography.  Ok, but is she allowed to divorce now, because she *needs* (her emotions) to separate from him?  And what if he said he's not giving her $ because he feels the separation is rash, because she won't talk about their problems or go to a counselor?  Is she allowed to get a divorce?  No.

Lost in all this is the woman's obligation to trust God (just like she expects her husband to trust her and not force a prenup) if marriage gets rough.  The marriage vows say for better OR WORSE.  Well, when things get worse, you can't go running to the courts to get some "financial security".  That's not catholic thinking and is immoral.  If you have a legitimate reason to separate for a time, then you must trust in God to provide for you during that brief period, because catholic thinking is that a separation is to HELP THE MARRIAGE HEAL, to lay down consequences, to "wake up" the spouse that is lethargic in their duties.  If you go and get a divorce, you are furthering the stress that is already threatening to break your marriage.  A separation is meant for prayer, reflection (for both parties, because problems are usually never one-sided) and a change in mindset.  It is not a time to give up and get a divorce.  Getting a divorce in this situation would NOT be a means to compromise and peace - it would be like throwing gas on a fire.