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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #170 on: June 27, 2018, 07:07:39 AM »
You're a complete idiot, as you have demonstrated on other threads.  You get emotionally attached to something and then begin making things up in support of your position.

It is perfectly just and compatible with the laws of God for the state to mandate that a husband support his wife and children.  These arrangements to support wife and children are about the most Catholic things left in this corrupt society.  Without such regulations and laws, lots of scuм deadbeat dads would disappear and stop supporting their wives and children.  There's nothing wrong with the state mandating that you must support your wife and children, dirtbag.  That has nothing to do with Communism, idiot.  Communism is about taking what is yours and distributing it to others.  But when you marry and have children, your income is no longer yours but belongs to the entire family.  You are not entitled to withhold it from them.  Based on your idiotic principle, you should be allowed to practically starve your children and make them walk around in filthy tattered clothing ... because YOU and you alone have the right to determine how you wish to abuse your wife and children.  This has got to be one of the dumbest things you've posted here on CI, and you've set the bar pretty high.

This is nothing but some misogynistic ego trip for you and Croix.
It isn't fair to put Pax in the same category as Croix. Pax has been engaging is reasoned debate and refraining from personal attacks. He even called Croix out for going too far.

It isn't right to be calling Pax names like that.

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #171 on: June 27, 2018, 07:29:35 AM »
Ladidlaus is a very intelligent guy and I enjoy his debates but his fuse is too short and once he gets tired of a discussion, he gets frustrated.  Then he calls people names, puts words in their mouth and takes comments out of context to make them look stupid.  Par for the course. 

All of you can argue that a prenup would be pointless but you’d be ignoring reality and the fact that a good lawyer, who has experience in family court, can do a LOT to minimize the damage of false accusations and protect you from theft.  

(Sarcasm alert) But then, if a man tried to protect himself, that means its ONLY because he wants to be selfish and have his (former) family be destitute and keep all his money.  There’s no reason to avoid courts because they care about the wife (who left him) more than he does.  All he cares about is money because he’s a dirtbag who wont bend over and take the feminist punishment that the almighty courts deem is merciful.  (Sarcasm done)

Good golly, y’all.  We live in a police state and have a corrupt legal system and you are oblivious to these dangers.  


Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #172 on: June 27, 2018, 08:47:04 AM »
Apart from the possibility of scandal, civil divorce is meaningless.  I can see a couple who have separated under conditions permitted by the Church also seeking a civil divorce ... for various pragmatic reasons.  So long as one does not see himself or herself as free to remarry, it is not akin to ѕυιcιdє/murder.  Let's say you have a wife who is in fact severely abused or being cheated on, there's nothing wrong with her separating and then seeking a civil divorce so that she can have the children provided for.  Nothing at all.  She would be merely enforcing her rights against a husband who has violated hers.  All of this prenup talk is assuming a scenario where the woman is primarily to blame vs. where the man is to blame.  Such a man would walk away under the terms of a prenup and not provide for his wife and children as required by God's law.

So if Croix et al. are claiming that a man would be nuts not to have a prenup, one might say the same thing about a wife agreeing to one.  WHAT IF in the future the husband cheats and/or severely abuses her, and she's entitled to separate.  Then under the prenup she and her children would be out of luck in terms of getting the financial support she deserves from the derelict husband.  She would be nuts to sign one.  This provision against possible future scenarios runs BOTH WAYS.
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Very well said.

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #173 on: June 27, 2018, 08:57:00 AM »
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All of this prenup talk is assuming a scenario where the woman is primarily to blame vs. where the man is to blame.  Such a man would walk away under the terms of a prenup and not provide for his wife and children as required by God's law.
Again, you assume the man is a dirtbag and would leave his family destitute, even though the 2 real-life examples YOU provided show the wife to be at fault.  More feminism from you.
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WHAT IF in the future the husband cheats and/or severely abuses her, and she's entitled to separate.  Then under the prenup she and her children would be out of luck in terms of getting the financial support she deserves from the derelict husband.
A prenup is for the benefit of BOTH spouses.  This has already been covered, but again, you project your feminism onto every husband and assume he's at fault.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #174 on: June 27, 2018, 10:00:48 AM »
Apart from the possibility of scandal, civil divorce is meaningless.  I can see a couple who have separated under conditions permitted by the Church also seeking a civil divorce ... for various pragmatic reasons.  So long as one does not see himself or herself as free to remarry, it is not akin to ѕυιcιdє/murder.  Let's say you have a wife who is in fact severely abused or being cheated on, there's nothing wrong with her separating and then seeking a civil divorce so that she can have the children provided for.  Nothing at all.  She would be merely enforcing her rights against a husband who has violated hers.  All of this prenup talk is assuming a scenario where the woman is primarily to blame vs. where the man is to blame.  Such a man would walk away under the terms of a prenup and not provide for his wife and children as required by God's law.

So if Croix et al. are claiming that a man would be nuts not to have a prenup, one might say the same thing about a wife agreeing to one.  WHAT IF in the future the husband cheats and/or severely abuses her, and she's entitled to separate.  Then under the prenup she and her children would be out of luck in terms of getting the financial support she deserves from the derelict husband.  She would be nuts to sign one.  This provision against possible future scenarios runs BOTH WAYS.
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It seems to me that pax and cdf forget that while the husband is off making the money the wife is working hard in the home.  There is no reason a wife should not get 50% of what is jointly theirs, that she worked hard for, no matter the reason for the civil divorce (annulment is another matter).  Further, the children are his and he has a moral obligation to support them.  The courts only require support until age 18, yet many children need support far beyond that.
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The reasons for the civil divorce are on the souls of the parties involved and God will sort it all out.