Nothing of this would be necessary if divorce was made illicit again.

The Catechism of the Council of Trent gave this definition of marriage:

It is the conjugal union between a man and a woman, both in legal status, establishing a perpetual and indissoluble communion of lives.

Any single action against this definition should simply be out of the question for Roman Catholics. It is a true shame that Catholics are not acting any better than the heathen on this (or on anything, really).

Divorce should be outlawed. No man nor woman should be able to break their legal and religious vows. Society is broken to pieces because instead of people performing their duty before God and State, they get away with following their spontaneous whims, as if the original sin was not a real thing.

Also, the least thing we need as traditional Catholics is to add more incentive to our youth NOT to marry and form families. Why are we committing ѕυιcιdє? I think we have more than enough of it coming from the wicked world.

Nothing of this would be necessary if divorce was made illicit again.

The Catechism of the Council of Trent gave this definition of marriage:


Any single action against this definition should simply be out of the question for Roman Catholics. It is a true shame that Catholics are not acting any better than the heathen on this (or on anything, really).

Divorce should be outlawed. No man nor woman should be able to break their legal and religious vows. Society is broken to pieces because instead of people performing their duty before God and State, they get away with following their spontaneous whims, as if the original sin was not a real thing.

Also, the least thing we need as traditional Catholics is to add more incentive to our youth NOT to marry and form families. Why are we committing ѕυιcιdє? I think we have more than enough of it coming from the wicked world.

What Pax Vobis said.

None of what you said practically addresses the epidemic of men getting financially raped, and his kids stolen from him, by women using the courts that heavily favor women. They've virtually codified female privilege into their laws and rulings.

Men must protect themselves. Prenups (and no State marriage license, although, some issues there as Pax Vobis mentioned) are the best protection.

I do notice a big discrepancy on the opinions of the married men vs. the single men on these issues. 

I wonder why that is. 

Obviously, if one is in a happy marriage, there is no concern about a prenup.  So they don't have the same uncertainty that single people do.

Either way, it's a good discussion in theory, based on the practical dangers that exist in the court system today.

I understand where you are coming from, but if divorce were to be outright outlawed, I do not see how could this still happen.

Also, women in careers having financial freedom is a big incentive for them to just divorce their husbands, and destroy their families. That is another thing that should change, in my opinion. Women could not get away with this when they depended financially upon their male relatives.

I agree with everything you said, but none of that is going to happen considering these latter days are getting worse. Iniquity will grow. Men need a prenup to protect themselves in this current reality.

That is a good point.  It could cause undue stress on the relationship.  But so could any number of topics, if they are emotionally charged.  

A lawyer should write it up and a priest should approve it.  The docuмent need not be complicated or long.  

Obviously, if one is in a happy marriage, there is no concern about a prenup.  So they don't have the same uncertainty that single people do.

Either way, it's a good discussion in theory, based on the practical dangers that exist in the court system today.

A "happy" marriage?  How do you define that?  

I must be dense.  I thought a pre-nup is drawn up in the event of a divorce down the road.  Why would a priest draw up a docuмent with this sort of purpose?  Why would a priest think that a prenup that he drew up would help make a commitment more permanent if a promise to the Lord wasn't enough?

The point of a prenup is to protect men from financial ruin by gold-digging women, and to prevent his kids from being stolen from him by a malicious, vindictive woman, since the courts effect female privilege regardless of the reason for "divorce". It's not about making a commitment more permanent. That can only happen by the grace of God.

But it's still "in the event of a divorce", no?

Not sure what you're asking, but there is no real divorce in the Eyes of God. The State will grant the divorce. The prenup will protect the man from getting his house, equity, bank accounts, assets, etc. stolen from him by the woman divorcing him, if there is no evidence of any fault of his own that lead to the divorce (many women nowadays divorce men because the women don't feel like being married anymore), and the prenup is written to protect him in such manner. Of course, the prenup and outcome of the "divorce" depends on how the prenup is written (and signed) in accordance to the wishes of both parties involved.