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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

Author Topic: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?  (Read 24309 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #135 on: June 26, 2018, 01:06:13 PM »
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That's precisely the point, that the legal protections in place are not out of line.
You call them "protections" when they are freemasonic, satanic INCENTIVES to leave a marriage that gets temporarily difficult.

Secondly, you insert divorce scenarios where you are blaming the husband-wife, both.  "It's usually equal blame", they say.  No it's not.  If the wife takes the NUCLEAR option to separate/divorce, she is the GUILTY PARTY.  She has destroyed the marriage.  She has violated her vows.  This is the situation we're talking about.  If she does not have a church approved reason to do so, the blame is fully on her for taking such a drastic, selfish action.

You minimize the gravity of immorality which a divorce inflicts upon society and on the marriage.  A bad marriage is much better and has a shot to succeed.  A divorce is final, and the woman will be guilty before God for this.  As such, civil laws should also reflect the gravity of this sin, which they do not, therefore a prenup should exist to de-incentivize a sin which is so commonplace today that it's heinousness is forgotten.

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #136 on: June 26, 2018, 01:10:25 PM »
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The reason you want to have prenups is because you won't assume that a woman will keep her marriage vow.  But you are fine with assuming that a man will be just in providing support for his family in the event of divorce.
Based on today's society, no one can assume anything about anyone.  Marriage vows are compromised because, even in a hypothetical situation, many of you STILL MAKE EXCUSES FOR A HYPOTHETICALLY BAD WIFE. 

A prenup would cover the support that a man must provide, likely 50-50.  What we're trying to avoid is the court systems where the courts take 70-80% of the man's earnings.  Oh, and stole the children too.


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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #137 on: June 26, 2018, 01:19:15 PM »
Can anyone give me a scenario where it would be wrong for a woman to get a divorce, take the children, get govt assistance, and 70% of a man's earnings for life?  Is she only wrong if she tries to kill her husband/child?  (She probably get off due to temporary insanity).

Seems to me that in EVERY situation, the husband is to blame and the woman gets rewarded for a divorce.  Sickening.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #138 on: June 26, 2018, 02:15:29 PM »
That's a pretty useless comparison, given that Spain's population is ten times that of Ireland (46.7 million vs 4.7 million).  A comparison of the actual rate of divorce would be useful, raw numbers are not.

Okay, two historically Catholic countries:

1. Ireland with 4.8 million souls and well less than 5,000 divorces per year.

2. Spain with 47 million souls with 100K divorces per year.

Spain has 8.6 times the population but 23 times more divorces?

I submit the comparison of differing divorces ratios remains valid.

One country tried to keep it's Catholic culture and resist divorce while the other country didn't :chef:

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #139 on: June 26, 2018, 04:16:22 PM »
Great stats, Incredulous.  Certainly Ireland has received greater blessings from God because their Constitution (until recently) upheld the sanctity of life and (still does) disallows divorce.  This goes to show the importance of civil laws in helping catholics to keep the Faith.  I'll bet Spain used to have such laws but they were gotten rid of once the great Franco died and left them defenseless against Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and communism.