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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #130 on: June 26, 2018, 12:50:21 PM »
I think that the big mistake in your reasoning comes from the overemphasis on control ... while forgetting charity and justice.  Our Lord had every authority and every right to control, but He made Himself a servant.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #131 on: June 26, 2018, 12:52:23 PM »
You guys keep talking about "protections" for the wife when the entire legal system is setup to protect her, give her free $ and have her be a single mother.  If they could have every woman be a single mother, then they would have succeeded in their goals.

The entire hypothetical cases we've been talking about are women who have LEFT husband, violated thier VOWS by getting a divorce, and immorally DESTROYING a family and their children's lives...and yet, it is ASSUMED that the husband will leave the wife/children destitute because, well, he's a bad father and deep down, when a woman leaves a marriage it's not her fault but his.

I see that the feminist, anti-catholic view of a husband has infected more than just women.  So sad.  And utterly shocking.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #132 on: June 26, 2018, 12:55:49 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 26, 2018, 12:52:23 PM
You guys keep talking about "protections" for the wife when the entire legal system is setup to protect her, give her free $ ...

That's precisely the point, that the legal protections in place are not out of line.  As for "free" money, if she's taking care of the children, she's laboring and the money is not "free".
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #133 on: June 26, 2018, 12:58:21 PM »
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It's your fault if you marry a woman who will leave a marriage because it's "boring".
Another man-blaming attitude.  The wife leaves a marriage and it's still the man's fault.  Wow.

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I think that the big mistake in your reasoning comes from the overemphasis on control ... while forgetting charity and justice. 
The man cannot be charitable if the state takes his money.  The fact that the state is involved is unjust and actually prevents his charity to an undeserving and immoral wife.

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Usually, even with the current laws, the wife and children take a step back financially after a divorce
So the wife "takes a step back" until she can get a job, while the husband is financially destroyed, for life.  Where is the justice and charity for the husband?
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #134 on: June 26, 2018, 01:01:37 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 26, 2018, 12:52:23 PM
You guys keep talking about "protections" for the wife when the entire legal system is setup to protect her, give her free $ and have her be a single mother.  If they could have every woman be a single mother, then they would have succeeded in their goals.

The entire hypothetical cases we've been talking about are women who have LEFT husband, violated thier VOWS by getting a divorce, and immorally DESTROYING a family and their children's lives...and yet, it is ASSUMED that the husband will leave the wife/children destitute because, well, he's a bad father and deep down, when a woman leaves a marriage it's not her fault but his.

I see that the feminist, anti-catholic view of a husband has infected more than just women.  So sad.  And utterly shocking.
Everybody, men and women, is a sinner.  We can't assume that any person of either sex will do the right thing. 

The reason you want to have prenups is because you won't assume that a woman will keep her marriage vow.  But you are fine with assuming that a man will be just in providing support for his family in the event of divorce.

If we are going to decide things based on worst case scenarios, then we ought to include scenarios in which men behave badly, not just ones in which women do.
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