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Poll

Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Offline Jaynek

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2018, 08:18:16 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on June 23, 2018, 08:05:13 PM
Look, "J", why don't you run your poll... and I'll run mine.  

And for that matter, I would love to see your voting options. :ready-to-eat:
I don't see a reason for a poll on this subject although I did appreciate your call to a less emotionally discussion of it. However, when you use such non-standard definitions, it is likely to cause confusion.

Also I could not tell which option best represented my own position.  I would like the system changed so that there are no marriage licenses. The secular understanding of marriage has become too far removed from true Catholic marriage. They are completely different things and should be distinct from each other. 
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2018, 08:24:15 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on June 23, 2018, 08:09:40 PM
Are you taking the position that Catholics adhere to their marriage vow "till death do us part"?
I disagree.
"Normal" Catholic marriages end up in the divorce courts with significant financial settlements.
When I got married my husband and I made vows. We kept them. That is how Catholic marriage is supposed to work. 

If people do not follow through on a vow before God to stay together, how would a "prenuptial agreement" to not divorce make a difference?
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Offline Croix de Fer

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2018, 08:28:12 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 23, 2018, 07:53:05 PM
Practically speaking I see the good in “being off the grid” when it comes to avoiding a marriage license.  However, if one chooses that path, then it also poses legal problems since your spouse is not recognized as your spouse by the state’s legal system.  This would affect legal docuмents such as wills, titles to property, insurance, taxes, everything.  So, discussions with a lawyer would be absolutely necessary to make sure your spouse could do many things that a marriage license automatically gives you.  Food for thought.  

You can give (leave for inheritance) anything to anybody in a legal will, even if the State doesn't recognize the person as a spouse.  

It's better to be free from the State, and to nullify any leverage a woman might have over the man when the potential specter of "divorce" is hanging over his head, than to have tax exemptions and other mouse traps full of cheese that are given to people with State marriage licenses.
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Offline Mega-fin

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2018, 08:36:58 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on June 23, 2018, 08:09:40 PM
Are you taking the position that Catholics adhere to their marriage vow "till death do us part"?
I disagree.
"Normal" Catholic marriages end up in the divorce courts with significant financial settlements.
That isn’t “normal” Catholic marriage. Normal Catholic marriage is one man, one woman, until death do they part. Anything else is a cop out and an excuse. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2018, 08:43:20 PM »
Right, wills are an easy fix.  But what about the situation where you get into a car accident and you're in a coma and your wife isn't allowed to make a decision on some necessary surgery because insurance doesn't recognize her as your spouse, therefore they aren't legally allowed to let her help you or make decisions on your behalf.

Or, you're in jail and she can't come visit you as often as a spouse could, because again, she's not legally your wife.

I'm not saying all this can't be legally fixed, i'm just saying that there are 'unintended consequences' if one avoids a marriage license.  So keep that in mind. And if you don't fix these issues, then if tragedy strikes, you could have a lot of headaches.  
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