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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: VerdenFell on May 15, 2025, 06:46:34 AM
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Except for when I attend church it's very rare that I see a woman wearing a dress when I'm out in public.
Nearly every woman wears pants or even worse...those yoga tights that leave little to the imagination.
I can't help but think that this has contributed to more masculine traits in women, which has further
divided the sexes by obscuring traditional gender roles.
With the way Western women have gone so far off the rails in their dress and behavior I'm tempted to
think that Islam has done a far better job at containing their immorality.
And before some harpy comes chiming in about men's attire I fully acknowledge how lamentable their
sartorial choices are as well.
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Except for when I attend church it's very rare that I see a woman wearing a dress when I'm out in public.
Nearly every woman wears pants or even worse...those yoga tights that leave little to the imagination.
I can't help but think that this has contributed to more masculine traits in women, which has further
divided the sexes by obscuring traditional gender roles.
With the way Western women have gone so far off the rails in their dress and behavior I'm tempted to
think that Islam has done a far better job at containing their immorality.
And before some harpy comes chiming in about men's attire I fully acknowledge how lamentable their
sartorial choices are as well.
So many women wear short shorts... it's terrible. I think women are much more attractive when they are dressed modestly.
I agree with most of what you said, though Islam goes too far in the opposite extreme. And while most men dress poorly it's still far better than the women.
Speaking of mens attire, what is immodest for men? Not talking about bad clothing choices but actually immodesty.
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Except for when I attend church it's very rare that I see a woman wearing a dress when I'm out in public.
Nearly every woman wears pants or even worse...those yoga tights that leave little to the imagination.
I can't help but think that this has contributed to more masculine traits in women, which has further
divided the sexes by obscuring traditional gender roles.
With the way Western women have gone so far off the rails in their dress and behavior I'm tempted to
think that Islam has done a far better job at containing their immorality.
And before some harpy comes chiming in about men's attire I fully acknowledge how lamentable their
sartorial choices are as well.
If you don't want women to "harp" then be courteous and post in the men's only forum.
And since the West is no longer Catholic, then doesn't it conclude that society is not going to be proper anymore.
By the way I haven't warn pants in public for over 20 years. So I am not some secret pant wearer getting mad at this thread.
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It’s rare. Especially to see modest skirts and dresses on women. It’s really frustrating shopping because there are not many options out there and you have to almost know how to sew and do alterations to make a modest dress. I took a sewing class when I got married and it paid off big time. I’ll bet we’ve saved hundreds of dollars not having to take things into a seamstress.
I feel sorry for men in this regard. It must be difficult to have to look at immodestly dressed women constantly. God will reward your custody of the eyes. But just know some women don’t know it’s a sin to dress the way they do. Of course, some do.
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Unless you live under Sharia Law, your question is silly. You already know the answer. Most women in westernized countries do not wear dresses or skirts. They wear pants, in summer, shorts. Many or most, depending upon their age or specific area, wear pants that are immodest.
Personally, for casual public appearance, I wear a skirt, length half way between bottom of knee and ankle, and a modest top. For Mass I wear either dress or skirt and top, only dressier.
My hair is a chin length bob with natural wave. It is undyed, light brown with gray/white. I do not wear makeup.
For Mass and formal occasions, I wear pantyhose or knee-highs plus closed or mostly closed footwear. For informal, I may wear simple sneakers, like the original Keds. I do not wear pumps or “stylish” shoes because of difficulty walking due to arthritis.
I use a cane or walking stick when I go out, but not around the house.
I may use a light spritz of cologne.
I bathe regularly, usually daily.
I have no tattoos, only pierced earlobes in which I usually wear simple stud-type earrings.
I could lose maybe 8-10 lbs. but am not a candidate for My 600 Pound Life!
I am not now and have never been a feminist.
Since such matters seem to be of great importance to some of the men on this forum, I am of Irish and Polish/Russian ancestry, white race, mostly Catholic background. My great grandmother was Lutheran but converted to Catholic in the 1920’s.
Anyone who downthumbs this post I will assume has mental health/spiritual issues. :jester:
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So many women wear short shorts... it's terrible. I think women are much more attractive when they are dressed modestly.
I agree with most of what you said, though Islam goes too far in the opposite extreme. And while most men dress poorly it's still far better than the women.
Speaking of mens attire, what is immodest for men? Not talking about bad clothing choices but actually immodesty.
You'll find muslim women quite hypocritical here. Under the veil, there are collagen lips and and an plastering of make up.
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It sounds like you look lovely and classy, Seraphina 😊
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Women wear dresses and skirts if they feel like it, but not as a standard.
This is where trad women can really make an impact since most of us dress modestly as a standard even outside of Mass and are having lots of kids! It’s so important for mothers to set a good example for their daughters by dressing not only with modesty, but also with taste and class. A well dressed and well mannered woman has the ability to change the atmosphere in the room just by her comportment.
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It sounds like you look lovely and classy, Seraphina 😊
Not really. I’m pretty much a plain Jane. But thanks!
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Women wear dresses and skirts if they feel like it, but not as a standard.
This is where trad women can really make an impact since most of us dress modestly as a standard even outside of Mass and are having lots of kids! It’s so important for mothers to set a good example for their daughters by dressing not only with modesty, but also with taste and class. A well dressed and well mannered woman has the ability to change the atmosphere in the room just by her comportment.
Men certainly respect women in modest dress far more. In trousers she's aiming to compete and in a minidress she's aiming to provoke.
More than that a dress is overt statement of femininity.
In 2013, when there were millions in the streets of Paris marching against sodomite mariage, a muslim woman Farida Belghoul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farida_Belghoul), made a statement far more powerful than most. She said that from now on she would never wear trousers again as trousers were a symbol of women wanting to be like men, and was a stepping stone towards LGBT values.
And this is why I advise men to wear ties. It's a powerful statement of virility.
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Men certainly respect women in modest dress far more. In trousers she's aiming to compete and in a minidress she's aiming to provoke.
I'm not sure why they don't understand that pants just detract from their femininity (just aesthetically), and they just look less dignified and almost slovenly wearing them.
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And this is why I advise men to wear ties. It's a powerful statement of virility.
I agree.
My husband, who is of Croatian heritage, specifically prefers to wear a cravat, and wastes no opportunity in telling people the story of how the modern neck tie came to be.
When many Croatian husbands and sons were leaving as mercenaries to fight for France, the wife/mother would tie a cravat around their neck as they departed for war. This caused quite a stir among the French military men when they discovered that the French women were prefering the Croats to them, and the Cravat was to blame. So the French adopted (er, copied) the fashion and it evolved over time to what we see today, the modern neck tie.
So he always struts around in a kidding way after I tie his Cravat and it makes me laugh!! We’ve been blessed with all girls so far but he always says how he will teach his son to dress properly and wear a Cravat when he gets a son.
Men do look great in ties, I wish it was something that would come back in every day fashion.
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So many women wear short shorts... it's terrible. I think women are much more attractive when they are dressed modestly.
I agree with most of what you said, though Islam goes too far in the opposite extreme. And while most men dress poorly it's still far better than the women.
Speaking of mens attire, what is immodest for men? Not talking about bad clothing choices but actually immodesty.
So you are not talking about a man wearing shorts and t-shirt looking like a boy?
Working in your yard without a shirt or in a tank top is immoddest. A seminarian for the fssp worked at the church this way and my first thought was he is never gonna become a priest. He didn't.
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Don't most people like to fit in with the crowd?
The way peope dress will follow what gets noticed the most, so if more compliments are lavished on good dressing attire then won't the styles change?
Or is their no hope because the rich decide the styles and there are no traditional Catholic rich people?
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I also like men in suit and ties for Mass and who work in offices. Remember, though, that in many UK or UK influenced countries, girls and women wear ties as part of a uniform. So that doesn’t necessarily inspire virility. When my friend moved to England from the US in the 1970’s, the school uniform for girls included a tie just like the boys.
The problem world-wide, is that culture has become degraded and that is reflected in people’s manner of dress. Clothing, regardless of the specifics, should reflect Natural Law. Sadly, so many people lack even the sense of Natural Law, so they turn to lewdness in their manner of dress, regardless of cultural norms.
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It's no big deal, even tramps used to wear jackets ties and hats.
(https://i.imgur.com/uJAmdWs.png)
Try wearing a jacket and tie at all times and notice how much more respect you get in all your interractions. Add a hat for extra points
It even saved a London underground fine once when my expired ticket didn't work. The controller assumed the machine was broken and let me through, whilst fining another person for whom the machine reacted in the same way.
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It's no big deal, even tramps used to wear jackets ties and hats.
(https://i.imgur.com/uJAmdWs.png)
Try wearing a jacket and tie at all times and notice how much more respect you get in all your interractions. Add a hat for extra points
It even saved a London underground fine once when my expired ticket didn't work. The controller assumed the machine was broken and let me through, whilst fining another person for whom the machine reacted in the same way.
Such good advice. It is amazing how much more respect a person gets if they dress respectfully.
But the numbers of people who think this way is so small how can it change?
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It's no big deal, even tramps used to wear jackets ties and hats.
(https://i.imgur.com/uJAmdWs.png)
Try wearing a jacket and tie at all times and notice how much more respect you get in all your interractions. Add a hat for extra points
It even saved a London underground fine once when my expired ticket didn't work. The controller assumed the machine was broken and let me through, whilst fining another person for whom the machine reacted in the same way.
That's a great jacket he's got :cowboy:
Are you in the UK? If so, you should check out John Simons if you haven't already. They make (in England) very nice suits/sportcoats (American style) at pretty reasonable prices, considering the average price of tailored garments made in western world. They also seem to run sales several times a year as well
(https://johnsimons.co.uk/cdn/shop/files/NAVY_SHETLAND_IVY_JACKET_07.png?v=1732284939)
I've been wearing sportcoats or a blazer more frequently when I'm out. We Catholic men can either try to bring those around us up to a greater level of self respect, or let them drag us down to their level
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In general, people across the board dress poorly. They’re either slovenly or deliberately provocative. A few well dressed Catholics here and there aren’t going to change the entire culture, but we can perhaps raise the awareness of a few people here and there. It can be something simple, like the addition of a sports jacket or vest for a man, or a casual skirt instead of jeans for a woman.
Pay attention to your manners and way of carrying yourself. Use proper English, or whatever language you speak. Avoid slang, don’t use overly casual manners of address. Stand up straight, don’t slouch. Have a pleasant expression on your face. So many people go around looking like they’re spoiling for a fight, or they’ve just received a death notice. Of course, don’t be fake, but be an asset, not a liability to the general public.
I have to make a trip tomorrow to the NYS DMV. I get to practice, my bearing and facial expression, clothing, too!
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You'll find muslim women quite hypocritical here. Under the veil, there are collagen lips and and an plastering of make up.
I agree! I was acquaintances with some and many of them would wear pants and have a full face of makeup.
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When I was going through my modesty journey, i went from skinny jeans/pants to skirts (but not below the knee) to basically making sure nothing is see-through, things are long enough, necklines are covered, sleeve is long enough etc. It's definitely a process. Unfortunately, alot of girls just copy what their peers do and how their own moms dress. I was in public school and girls even at 11, and probably younger would dress so poorly. When I shop for my daughter, i notice even the dresses are too short. I definitely want to get more into sewing so i can lengthen skirts and add sleeves, etc.
I even had to look up things like slips because the dresses that I owned were cheap and thin, see-through.
I also like modesty because i hate when creeps oggle. It just feels safe to dress modest.
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I agree.
My husband, who is of Croatian heritage, specifically prefers to wear a cravat, and wastes no opportunity in telling people the story of how the modern neck tie came to be.
Typical Croatian :laugh1:
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It's no big deal, even tramps used to wear jackets ties and hats.
(https://i.imgur.com/uJAmdWs.png)
Try wearing a jacket and tie at all times and notice how much more respect you get in all your interractions. Add a hat for extra points
It even saved a London underground fine once when my expired ticket didn't work. The controller assumed the machine was broken and let me through, whilst fining another person for whom the machine reacted in the same way.
When wearing more traditional clothes, how do you deal with sweating? Do you just wear a light tshirt underneath?
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The French word for dress is 'robe'. The word 'robe' is used in English to describe any garment that reaches to the ground and is worn by those who who have been entrusted to ensure God's order is applied, i.e. judges, priests, kings.
This should be a clue as to why it's necessary that women wear a dress. Women are called by God to a higher purpose, to give and nuture life, something that no man can do.
A woman in a dress who moves gracefully is like an angel.
This is why (((those))) in the fashion industry have done their best to destroy femininity.
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When wearing more traditional clothes, how do you deal with sweating? Do you just wear a light tshirt underneath?
Never thought about it. Wearing jeans is really uncomfortable in heat and once I realised that they were invented by a guy called Levi who wanted the entire world to look like a factory worker, I never wore them again.
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Never thought about it. Wearing jeans is really uncomfortable in heat and once I realised that they were invented by a guy called Levi who wanted the entire world to look like a factory worker, I never wore them again.
In guessing you live in a country that is usually cold? Where I live it basically feels like summer for 6 months than slightly cold (could still wear shorts and tuff it out) in the winter.
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I also like men in suit and ties for Mass and who work in offices. Remember, though, that in many UK or UK influenced countries, girls and women wear ties as part of a uniform. So that doesn’t necessarily inspire virility. When my friend moved to England from the US in the 1970’s, the school uniform for girls included a tie just like the boys.
The problem world-wide, is that culture has become degraded and that is reflected in people’s manner of dress. Clothing, regardless of the specifics, should reflect Natural Law. Sadly, so many people lack even the sense of Natural Law, so they turn to lewdness in their manner of dress, regardless of cultural norms.
Ties on a girl or woman looks just plain stupid! It's as if they're saying, "I can't wear pants but I can still look like a man" Also ties on female police officers also suggests this "I want to be a man" attitude.
A tie is a stronger statement on a woman than wearing pants.
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I also like men in suit and ties for Mass and who work in offices. Remember, though, that in many UK or UK influenced countries, girls and women wear ties as part of a uniform. So that doesn’t necessarily inspire virility. When my friend moved to England from the US in the 1970’s, the school uniform for girls included a tie just like the boys.
The problem world-wide, is that culture has become degraded and that is reflected in people’s manner of dress. Clothing, regardless of the specifics, should reflect Natural Law. Sadly, so many people lack even the sense of Natural Law, so they turn to lewdness in their manner of dress, regardless of cultural norms.
Yeah a lot of workplaces require women to wear pants, what should these women do?
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When wearing more traditional clothes, how do you deal with sweating? Do you just wear a light tshirt underneath?
Hairshirt alternative :trollface:
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There is an interesting bit of science/psychology you should be aware of. If you could measure where the eye looks (with a camera/computer) you would notice that any V shape directs the eyes to the point of the V. So, in the case of a woman wearing pants, the eyes are naturally going to gravitate to the point of the V: the butt/crotch area.
It's not a question of choice or virtue -- we're talking about basic psychology, a basic visual reflex, like people looking in the direction of an explosion. It's *going* to happen every time, unless you consciously stop yourself.
Do you wear bright orange and complain that men give you more attention? Of course not. You just don't fight against the whole of human nature. It is foolish to endeavor to swim upstream. If you don't want men looking at your groin area, then don't wear clothing that begs/coaxes/compels them to. Only a small percent of men are going to habitually walk with their eyes cast down, etc. Think about it.
Now add to this, the fact that men are more "visual" by nature. That is why pants, on women, is fundamentally immodest. Men don't have "hips" or a "figure" to show off that women admire. Even if they did, women aren't just feminine men. They are wired differently.
Plus men are doing work that requires pants. Women should be doing jobs that cater to their femininity, rather than destroy it.
Long story short: pants are immodest. The same arguments "Men should have the virtue to always walk with their eyes cast down", etc. would equally apply to going around with low plunging necklines -- or even bikinis. And no one is going to argue that such clothing is modest! If your clothing requires (heroic?) virtue on the part of all men who cross your path -- your clothing isn't modest.
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When wearing more traditional clothes, how do you deal with sweating? Do you just wear a light tshirt underneath?
Different fabrics for different weather. For instance, a loose weave, lightweight linen fabric will allow for air flow while effectively wicking moisture away from the skin (linen is known for its ability to absorb a lot of moisture), and the air flow that is allowed will also help dry the fabric faster if it is saturated with sweat. Personally, I sweat a lot regardless, so I just think to myself, "What will this matter tomorrow?" :smirk:
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A good book that might help woman understand better.
https://tanbooks.com/products/books/dressing-with-dignity/
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There is an interesting bit of science/psychology you should be aware of. If you could measure where the eye looks (with a camera/computer) you would notice that any V shape directs the eyes to the point of the V. So, in the case of a woman wearing pants, the eyes are naturally going to gravitate to the point of the V: the butt/crotch area.
It's not a question of choice or virtue -- we're talking about basic psychology, a basic visual reflex, like people looking in the direction of an explosion. It's *going* to happen every time, unless you consciously stop yourself.
Do you wear bright orange and complain that men give you more attention? Of course not. You just don't fight against the whole of human nature. It is foolish to endeavor to swim upstream. If you don't want men looking at your groin area, then don't wear clothing that begs/coaxes/compels them to. Only a small percent of men are going to habitually walk with their eyes cast down, etc. Think about it.
Now add to this, the fact that men are more "visual" by nature. That is why pants, on women, is fundamentally immodest. Men don't have "hips" or a "figure" to show off that women admire. Even if they did, women aren't just feminine men. They are wired differently.
Plus men are doing work that requires pants. Women should be doing jobs that cater to their femininity, rather than destroy it.
Long story short: pants are immodest. The same arguments "Men should have the virtue to always walk with their eyes cast down", etc. would equally apply to going around with low plunging necklines -- or even bikinis. And no one is going to argue that such clothing is modest! If your clothing requires (heroic?) virtue on the part of all men who cross your path -- your clothing isn't modest.
Agree.
And in the case of men, stop sitting with your legs splayed apart. Young girls and teens haven't developed the custody of their eyes yet.
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If a loose tunic top and loose fitting pants are worn, I don’t find them necessarily immodest. IMO, the idea that all men are checking out women’s crotches is a bit exaggerated. Men or women whose pants are tight are immodest. Guys who wear loose pants and do the “man-spreading” thing on public transport or in public are just as disgusting as any woman who thinks skin tight leggings or tights are trousers. Both are totally classless, in bad taste, and lewd. # for bare bellies, muscle shirts, short shorts, bare backs, top or bottom cleavage, undergarments that show, or too high hemlines. Most women do not have lovely knees and old men with bony knees best confine them to the backyard.
Both genders, if you swim in public, wear a coverup when not in the water. Use discernment in the kind of places you swim. If a pool or beach is referred to as a “meat market,” there’s a reason. Stay away, especially if you have children or are male.
A young adult male relative of mine had the experience of going for a swim at a campground with a river beach. He saw a few couples, a few guys, and a family off to the side, so he figured it looked tame enough. He dove in only to have two of the guys swim over to the ropes and invite him to a threesome in their tent! Obviously, he declined. Upon looking into the campground online, he learned it is a favorite weekend spot for rainbow types from Philadelphia.
I felt a bit bad because I recommended the place having camped there about 15 years ago. I used that beach myself and didn’t notice anything untoward. It seemed then to be a campsite for families and retired couples in RVs.
My guess is that had I gone there last year swimming, nobody would have given me a second glance. Young gαy guys will have no interest in a mid-60’s lady in a swim dress who paddles around, cools off, then dons a coverup, and retreats to a chaise lounge to read a book.
Had the beach been populated with older men by themselves, I’d not use it. A normal widower or divorced man still has youthful desires. If he thought I might have money, all the better! Young men won’t have interest that way in a granny, and I’m well past the age of being tempted by men young enough to be grandsons! Still, I avoid most public beaches or go only at certain times when not crowded.
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Agree.
And in the case of men, stop sitting with your legs splayed apart. Young girls and teens haven't developed the custody of their eyes yet.
Some men just happen to sit like that, for comfort, also how should men sit? Don't want to crush the eggs.
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A good book that might help woman understand better.
https://tanbooks.com/products/books/dressing-with-dignity/
That's where I got my quote from (about the V), actually.
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A woman wearing a dress seems to immediately catch the eye nowadays. I was driving past a Jehovah's Witnesses
Church "Kingdom Hall" and my eyes were drawn, like a magnet, to two young women wearing modest dresses..poor souls!
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A woman wearing a dress seems to immediately catch the eye nowadays. I was driving past a Jehovah's Witnesses Church "Kingdom Hall" and my eyes were drawn, like a magnet, to two young women wearing modest dresses..poor souls!
Yeah a young lady in a dress has incredible appeal. Much more than immodesty dressed women. At least not regards to lust. And that's a good thing.
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Some men just happen to sit like that, for comfort, also how should men sit? Don't want to crush the eggs.
I take it you meant that humorously. No, a man shouldn’t sit with crossed legs or in a feminine manner. But a man who sits so as to draw attention to his privates is just plain nasty.
I’m also wondering why I was given a downthumb. With what does someone disagree and why. Civil, reasoned replies only, please!
If it was my not entirely objecting to all pants on any women, ever, okay. It doesn’t mean I favor wearing pants, just that I don’t automatically condemn all who do. If it’s because there’s a fellow on here who can’t help but stare at the v-section of all females he ever sees in pants, then I feel very sorry for you. So many women are just ugly, covered in tattoos, piercings, half shaved heads dyed green and purple, gopped on Goth make-up, deliberately ripped up clothing, rolls of fat with muffin top and overhanging “apron” showing, her speech and behavior to match. Wearing pants is the least of her problems. How such a woman could tempt a man calling himself Christian is beyond me.
Of course, I’m not a man, have never been married, so maybe I’m wrong about what tempts men. All I have to go upon is the examples set by my father, my male cousins, and my nephews. When they saw/see a hideous female, the reaction is disgust, not the shame of embarrassment due to momentary, involuntary temptation.
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I take it you meant that humorously. No, a man shouldn’t sit with crossed legs or in a feminine manner. But a man who sits so as to draw attention to his privates is just plain nasty.
I’m also wondering why I was given a downthumb. With what does someone disagree and why. Civil, reasoned replies only, please!
I was the one who downvoted you in relation to the below post.
Guys who wear loose pants and do the “man-spreading” thing on public transport or in public are just as disgusting as any woman who thinks skin tight leggings or tights are trousers. Both are totally classless, in bad taste, and lewd.
While I agree that to sit in to sit in a provocative manner is disgusting. However that is not normally why men would sit with their legs apart (to an extent). It is normally because to sit with ones thighs touching can be quite painful for men. Men sitting with their legs apart (to an extent) is quite common and should not be mistaken for provocative behaviour.
As a previous poster said:
Don't want to crush the eggs.
I agreed with the rest of your post for the most part though.
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I was the one who downvoted you in relation to the below post. While I agree that to sit in to sit in a provocative manner is disgusting. However that is not normally why men would sit with their legs apart (to an extent). It is normally because to sit with ones thighs touching can be quite painful for men. Men sitting with their legs apart (to an extent) is quite common and should not be mistaken for provocative behaviour.
As a previous poster said:
I agreed with the rest of your post for the most part though.
No offense taken. Thanks for the explanation. I guess you are not in an environment where there are men who are simply lewd, who DO quite deliberately sit so as to display themselves. It seems to have originated as part of the rap/hip hop culture in NYC. I first saw it in about 2000, done in the subway by young men of a certain race, but now imitated by other races eager to lower themselves. I could get very descriptive to prove my point, but I won’t.
I guess I see the world so deteriorated to the point where there’s a more clearly defined line between good and evil. Many have fallen so low that they are no longer tempting. Those who still adhere at least to Natural Law are disgusted rather than tempted. Evil is overt, its practitioners proud of their hatred for God and everything made by and for Him.
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I take it you meant that humorously. No, a man shouldn’t sit with crossed legs or in a feminine manner. But a man who sits so as to draw attention to his privates is just plain nasty.
I’m also wondering why I was given a downthumb. With what does someone disagree and why. Civil, reasoned replies only, please!
If it was my not entirely objecting to all pants on any women, ever, okay. It doesn’t mean I favor wearing pants, just that I don’t automatically condemn all who do. If it’s because there’s a fellow on here who can’t help but stare at the v-section of all females he ever sees in pants, then I feel very sorry for you. So many women are just ugly, covered in tattoos, piercings, half shaved heads dyed green and purple, gopped on Goth make-up, deliberately ripped up clothing, rolls of fat with muffin top and overhanging “apron” showing, her speech and behavior to match. Wearing pants is the least of her problems. How such a woman could tempt a man calling himself Christian is beyond me.
Of course, I’m not a man, have never been married, so maybe I’m wrong about what tempts men. All I have to go upon is the examples set by my father, my male cousins, and my nephews. When they saw/see a hideous female, the reaction is disgust, not the shame of embarrassment due to momentary, involuntary temptation.
Extremely based. All regarding the eggs, some men natural sit with a wider stance. My grandfather was like that.
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So many women wear short shorts... it's terrible.
not only them but they let their little daughters do the same. little girls walking around with their lower butt cheeks hanging out. terrible parenting. modesty is alien to modern woman. i actually heard a grown woman tell a little girl (presumably her niece; hopefully not her daughter) "you're sexy with that outfit". I was aghast.
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not only them but they let their little daughters do the same. little girls walking around with their lower butt cheeks hanging out. terrible parenting. modesty is alien to modern woman. i actually heard a grown woman tell a little girl (presumably her niece; hopefully not her daughter) "you're sexy with that outfit". I was aghast.
We are living in Sodom, or perhaps Gomorrah. Or Babylon.
We need to look at The World that way. As the bad guy, "other", "the enemy" -- in short, a bunker mentality. Oh you don't have to -- you can lose your grasp of the truth and your soul. We all have Free Will.
But if you want to serve God, you absolutely have to stick to reality, which is the fact that the World is the enemy. Not neutral -- it's the enemy.
Go watch any movie or read any book about a cult, or read about the Amish. Note how they look at the world at large. That is EXACTLY the level of aloofness and caution WE TRADITIONAL Catholics should have as well. Those cults are wrong about their beliefs, etc. but NOT about their desire to be aloof from a wicked world that is against them. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
If someone calls me a cult, because I do something (the one thing) the cults are doing right? I wouldn't care. See how that helps defend you?
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Ties on a girl or woman looks just plain stupid! It's as if they're saying, "I can't wear pants but I can still look like a man" Also ties on female police officers also suggests this "I want to be a man" attitude.
A tie is a stronger statement on a woman than wearing pants.
Well, I guess you can write letters of complaint to thousands of schools in Britain, Ireland, Scottland, Wales, India, Jamaica, the Caribbean, Africa, other European countries….
Just kidding. :jester:
It’s a cultural thing, gives different messages in different places.
I find men in three piece formal suits, jacket, tie, crisp white business shirt, polished dress shoes…..with white knee socks and shorts, to look comical. That’s fine for a boy up to maybe 10 or 11 years old, but after that? Just no! I have a particular dislike of bony knees on old men which knee socks only emphasize!