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Offline rosary93

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Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
« on: June 07, 2017, 12:37:39 PM »
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  • LOL but i can't help but wonder

    A lot of the protestants i have talked to over the years strike me as... uh... dense... not too into LOGIC. Logical people who find Christ find HIS Church... so it kind of looks to me like most Protestants who stay protestant over the course of their lives.. aren't too bright

    Am I wrong to conclude that? Yes, I know there are a plethora of reasons why people stay away from the Church but any SINCERE wannabe Christian is going to find Jesus's Church. Am I right?



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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2017, 12:54:38 PM »
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  • I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing (John 15:5)

    Protestants reject God's predisposing graces and so they can never progress, for all our steps toward God are given to us by God, we practically do nothing. It has nothing to do with intelligence and EVERYTHING to do with God.

    Catholic Doctrine on Grace
     
    Outside of the Catholic Church there is no sanctifying grace:
     
    Although, predisposing or prevenient graces are given to anyone of those outside the Catholic Church, so that they can turn to God, change their lives and enter the Catholic Church, for without these graces no one would ever convert.  However, outside the Catholic Church no sinner can attain sanctifying grace, the state justice wherein one can receive in their soul the  indwelling of the Holy Ghost. They can't receive sanctifying grace because they are in a perpetual state of mortal sin, since there is no way for them to receive remission of sin outside of the Church. 
     
    DOGMA:

    Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation NOR REMISSION OF SIN…”
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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2017, 02:23:40 PM »
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  • Protestants are MENSA material compared with Catholic modernists.

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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2017, 05:19:49 PM »
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  • I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing (John 15:5)

    Protestants reject God's predisposing graces and so they can never progress, for all our steps toward God are given to us by God, we practically do nothing. It has nothing to do with intelligence and EVERYTHING to do with God.

    Catholic Doctrine on Grace
     
    Outside of the Catholic Church there is no sanctifying grace:
     
    Although, predisposing or prevenient graces are given to anyone of those outside the Catholic Church, so that they can turn to God, change their lives and enter the Catholic Church, for without these graces no one would ever convert.  However, outside the Catholic Church no sinner can attain sanctifying grace, the state justice wherein one can receive in their soul the  indwelling of the Holy Ghost. They can't receive sanctifying grace because they are in a perpetual state of mortal sin, since there is no way for them to receive remission of sin outside of the Church.
     
    DOGMA:

    Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation NOR REMISSION OF SIN…”

    There goes Tradhican inserting his Feeneyism again. It's an obsession to insist that there are no people who belong to the Catholic Church by initial conversion that man cannot discern, but that God can. Some people who are not visibly Catholic, can have remission of sin, but it is INSIDE the Church, even though only God sees that it is inside, and man cannot see it. It's essentially conversion.
    "there can be no holiness where there is disagreement with the pope" - Pope St. Pius X

    Today, only Catholics holding the sedevacantist position are free from the anguish entailed by this truth.

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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #4 on: June 08, 2017, 03:31:32 AM »
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  • LOL but i can't help but wonder

    A lot of the protestants i have talked to over the years strike me as... uh... dense... not too into LOGIC. Logical people who find Christ find HIS Church... so it kind of looks to me like most Protestants who stay protestant over the course of their lives.. aren't too bright

    Am I wrong to conclude that? Yes, I know there are a plethora of reasons why people stay away from the Church but any SINCERE wannabe Christian is going to find Jesus's Church. Am I right?
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    Faith is not the outcome of an exercise in logic, nor is it anything to do with intelligence, neither does lack of it have anything to do with ...  uh...density.
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    My brother had an injury at birth which meant for him a loss of some physical and mental capacity. He received the Faith through the sacraments just as any of us do, and it was nourished by good teaching and example on the part of my parents. He never once deviated from the truth of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith; in fact loved God with a passion. He is now in Heaven glorifying God!
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    In short, Faith is a gift of God, which needs the right nourishment. Protestants have neither of those two crucial factors.
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    The question is what are we doing to show protestants that there is a Way to God's infinite Love and Mercy and Eternal Salvation. I've learned that it is rare that protestants come to Faith through reasoning. Some wise person once said: You cannot reason people out of something they were not reasoned into. 
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    Best thing is prayer and example. 
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
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     Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation NOR REMISSION OF SIN…”



    Some people who are not visibly Catholic, can have remission of sin, but it is INSIDE the Church, even though only God sees that it is inside, and man cannot see it. It's essentially conversion.


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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #6 on: June 08, 2017, 10:55:05 AM »
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  • I am the vine; you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing (John 15:5)

    Protestants reject God's predisposing graces and so they can never progress, for all our steps toward God are given to us by God, we practically do nothing. It has nothing to do with intelligence and EVERYTHING to do with God.
    well, the thing is, God is not willing that any should perish. So He puts Catholics in everyone's life... everyone

    And there is some grace outside the Church. Look at a lovely spring day (when there are no humans around... ha ha, but so true) and tell me people do not appreciate God as a result of seeing that kind of day

    or look at a newborn baby... look at the stars in the sky.. and you will think about God and that thinking about Him is GRACE. Now, true, that moment of grace does not last long and that's why people outside the Church cannot be saved.. they do not hold onto grace, do not even desire grace a lot of the time, even though the wannabee Christians (protesters) claim to... uh... well, you know, maybe I will leave things @ that b/c no one knows what anyone is going through. I do know people who are not in the Church but do try to be decent people and some of them have treated me better than a lot of Catholics so called........................ 

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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #7 on: June 08, 2017, 10:56:37 AM »
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  • Protestants are MENSA material compared with Catholic modernists.
    yeh, that is a contradiction in terms: Catholic modernists


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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #8 on: June 08, 2017, 10:59:13 AM »
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  • There goes Tradhican inserting his Feeneyism again. It's an obsession to insist that there are no people who belong to the Catholic Church by initial conversion that man cannot discern, but that God can. Some people who are not visibly Catholic, can have remission of sin, but it is INSIDE the Church, even though only God sees that it is inside, and man cannot see it. It's essentially conversion.

    i am far closer to your view than Tradhican's. In fact, I agree w/ it 100%, assuming that is exactly what the Church teaches, but it may not be EXACTLY. From my understanding the Church teaches that if a person is "catholic in the inner forum" of his being, he has a chance of being saved. And of course if he dies b4 he can officially enter the Church, I know God is merciful. He looks at the heart, as it says in some book of the Old Testament (when David was chosen by God)... "Man looks at appearances but God looks at the heart"
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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #9 on: June 08, 2017, 11:01:54 AM »
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  • .
    Faith is not the outcome of an exercise in logic, nor is it anything to do with intelligence, neither does lack of it have anything to do with ...  uh...density.
    .
    My brother had an injury at birth which meant for him a loss of some physical and mental capacity. He received the Faith through the sacraments just as any of us do, and it was nourished by good teaching and example on the part of my parents. He never once deviated from the truth of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith; in fact loved God with a passion. He is now in Heaven glorifying God!
    .
    In short, Faith is a gift of God, which needs the right nourishment. Protestants have neither of those two crucial factors.
    .
    The question is what are we doing to show protestants that there is a Way to God's infinite Love and Mercy and Eternal Salvation. I've learned that it is rare that protestants come to Faith through reasoning. Some wise person once said: You cannot reason people out of something they were not reasoned into.
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    Best thing is prayer and example.
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    how can you say protesters do not have faith? That is all they have, it seems.. meaning all they have is a belief (faith) in Jesus, they do actually have Jesus (the Real Presence, the Eucharist)
    I disagree. They do have faith... they have faith that tells them Jesus is the truth.. and that faith, if followed to its logical conclusion (there's that L word again) will lead them to the Catholic Church, if they do not resist.

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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #10 on: June 08, 2017, 02:15:18 PM »
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  • LOL but i can't help but wonder

    A lot of the protestants i have talked to over the years strike me as... uh... dense... not too into LOGIC. Logical people who find Christ find HIS Church... so it kind of looks to me like most Protestants who stay protestant over the course of their lives.. aren't too bright

    Am I wrong to conclude that? Yes, I know there are a plethora of reasons why people stay away from the Church but any SINCERE wannabe Christian is going to find Jesus's Church. Am I right?
        A lot of Christians get 'stuck', content to sustain themselves with just the word of God in small doses. They are lulled into mediocrity and prefer the banal spirituality they have created for themselves.

         The same with NO Catholics. They are 'stuck' and have been lulled. I have witnessed a few who have experienced the Latin Mass of all ages and/or Eastern Catholic Liturgies and their minds have been open.

         Save a Catholic (for that matter, invite a Protestant, too!) Invite them to a real Mass, the Mass of all ages, and save a soul from hell.


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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #11 on: June 08, 2017, 03:22:55 PM »
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  • how can you say protesters do not have faith? That is all they have, it seems.. meaning all they have is a belief (faith) in Jesus, they do actually have Jesus (the Real Presence, the Eucharist)
    I disagree. They do have faith... they have faith that tells them Jesus is the truth.. and that faith, if followed to its logical conclusion (there's that L word again) will lead them to the Catholic Church, if they do not resist.
    What you wrote is totally incoherent, what are you trying to say?
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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
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  • St. Peter Julian Eymard – Bad Catholic vs Good Protestant
     
    People often say, “It is better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic.” That is not true! That would mean that one could be saved without the true faith. No. A bad Catholic remains a child of the family, although a prodigal; and however great a sinner he may be, he still has a right to mercy. Through his faith, a bad Catholic is nearer to God than a Protestant, for he is a member of the household, whereas the heretic is not. And how hard it is to make him become one!

    St. Peter Julian Eymard 
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #13 on: June 08, 2017, 06:40:11 PM »
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  • i am far closer to your view than Tradhican's. In fact, I agree w/ it 100%, assuming that is exactly what the Church teaches, but it may not be EXACTLY. From my understanding the Church teaches that if a person is "catholic in the inner forum" of his being, he has a chance of being saved. And of course if he dies b4 he can officially enter the Church, I know God is merciful. He looks at the heart, as it says in some book of the Old Testament (when David was chosen by God)... "Man looks at appearances but God looks at the heart"
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    If someone's heart is in the right place and they have not been baptized, they will get baptized. ;) 
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    Re: Do Catholics have higher IQs than Protestants?
    « Reply #14 on: June 13, 2017, 04:53:00 PM »
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  •    A lot of Christians get 'stuck', content to sustain themselves with just the word of God in small doses. They are lulled into mediocrity and prefer the banal spirituality they have created for themselves.

         The same with NO Catholics. They are 'stuck' and have been lulled. I have witnessed a few who have experienced the Latin Mass of all ages and/or Eastern Catholic Liturgies and their minds have been open.

         Save a Catholic (for that matter, invite a Protestant, too!) Invite them to a real Mass, the Mass of all ages, and save a soul from hell.
    yes, I need to work harder at finding a traditionalist mass.. thanks 4 the reminder.
    what do you think of this: that a born-again Protestant is more Christian than a hypocritical Catholic? That is my experience... He is an imperfect Christian but... he will at least have an interest in the Catholic Church?? maybe?