Author Topic: diversity training (Read 937 times)

TheD · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:54:36 PM »

Heres my two cents worth: It still amazes me that people put up with this crap. I live in Iowa and this lady is considered a hero there. This is obvious Orwelion thought reform!

kittycat496 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2009, 07:22:14 AM »

I think calling this 1984 is going a touch too far. This women was trying to bring the truth of discrimination to a group of people that have never felt it. These were nice white people who had never been anything but, nice white people. The experiment was a bit extreme but, because it was so extreme it worked. The people got to see what it meant to be the target of discrimination.

Today if we redid the experiment it would be much the same accept insert Hispanics in the place of African Americans. We still have bias in this world. Some groups are still seen as better then others for no other reason then they are part of that group. If you don't believe me go to your local high school. If your school has enough kids of different races you will see that they all sit together by race, you might see one or two exceptions, but for the most part this is the rule.

clare · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2009, 08:41:34 AM »

Quote from: kittycat496

If your school has enough kids of different races you will see that they all sit together by race, you might see one or two exceptions, but for the most part this is the rule.

As long as there's no inter-racial bullying, I wouldn't worry about it.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2009, 08:45:16 AM »

Quote from: kittycat496

If you don't believe me go to your local high school. If your school has enough kids of different races you will see that they all sit together by race, you might see one or two exceptions, but for the most part this is the rule.

That's because people are more comfortable around other people who are like themselves.

I went to a very mixed public high school (mostly whites and blacks), and though there was no forced segregation policy, the kids voluntarily kept very much apart. The exception? Those white kids who had accepted the black culture. Again, they were more comfortable around people like themselves -- who happened to be black.

But it's not just about race. I wouldn't be comfortable or close to a man who makes $300,000 a year either -- unless his lifestyle was unusually down-to-earth.

Scripture even deals with this:

Ecclesiasticus Chapter 13
2 He shall take a burden upon him that hath fellowship with one more honourable than himself. And have no fellowship with one that is richer than thyself. 3 What agreement shall the earthen pot have with the kettle? for if they knock one against the other, it shall be broken. 4 The rich man hath done wrong, and yet he will fume: but the poor is wronged and must hold his peace. 5 If thou give, he will make use of thee: and if thou have nothing, he will forsake thee.
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19 Every beast loveth its like: so also every man him that is nearest to himself. 20 All flesh shall consort with the like to itself, and every man shall associate himself to his like.
21 If the wolf shall at any time have fellowship with the lamb, so the sinner with the just. 22 What fellowship hath a holy man with a dog, or what part hath the rich with the poor? 23 The wild ass is the lion's prey in the desert: so also the poor are devoured by the rich. 24 And as humility is an abomination to the proud: so also the rich man abhorreth the poor.

Notice this goes for religion as well -- a Catholic will feel most comfortable around other Catholics -- presuming the Catholic Faith dictates his everyday life (as it should).

Matthew

kittycat496 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 24, 2009, 03:48:55 PM »

Just because it's human nature doesn't mean it isn't wrong. The point of diversity training is to teach people to get over the comfort thing. People feel safer with those like them no doubt, but we need to learn how it is we start to become comfortable with what is different.

When I was a little kid I was really uncomfortable with gαy couples. I thought that this was just too weird for me. However in today's modern world I needed to learn to see past that and to accept that it was just a person and what they did with themselves was no business of mine.

It is the same for almost all differences. When people are exposed to allowed to come to terms with what is different it helps them to get along. We are afraid because we don't understand.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2009, 03:57:24 PM »

Just because it's human nature doesn't mean it IS wrong, either.

Actually, we should be very uncomfortable around so-called "gαy" couples -- ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is revolting on a natural level, and even more so on the supernatural (spiritual) level.

God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha because of the widespread presence of the "vice against nature" known as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

We are NOT supposed to destroy our natural sense of modesty, and we're NOT supposed to brainwash ourselves that 2+2=5, that up is down, or that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is just fine.

It has nothing to do with fear, and everything to do with OBJECTIVE (same for everyone) morals. Something is either RIGHT or WRONG -- it doesn't vary by person.

Matthew

clare · « **Reply #7 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:28:30 AM »

I really wish people wouldn't liken racial differences to sɛҳuąƖ preferences!

There is no sin in being of a different race, and I would agree that any prejudice against people of other races, while it may be natural, needs to be overcome when dealing with individuals.

However, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behaviour is sinful. It is quite sensible to be wary in the company of self-proclaimed ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. That is not to say we should treat them uncharitably, but we certainly shouldn't encourage sinful behaviour.

kittycat496 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 25, 2009, 07:37:17 AM »

Fine obviously I chose the wrong example. I only used it because being mixed I learned from an early age how to mingle with both sides of the fence since they both make up family. I'm just saying that most differences can be over come through exposer.

I never said that you should encourage their behavior; I don't encourage anyone to that behavior regardless of preference. I said associate. I never got when associating with someone became the same as encouraging them. I thought we were over the days of 'shun the nonbeliever!'

TheD · « **Reply #9 on:** June 25, 2009, 10:05:11 AM »