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Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2023, 07:40:30 AM »
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  • It's also going to lead to more Ukrainians fleeing the country.  Current estimates are that between 8 and 12 million have already left permanently ... and they used to have a population of 43 million.  So there's already been a nearly 25% reduction in population.  I suspect that this is part of the agenda, to depopulate Ukraine so that the Jews can reclaim their ancient Khazarian homeland.  US/NATO had to know (they're not that stupid) that Ukraine could not "win" this war, so there must have been some other agendas in play also.  Perhaps it was with the intent of "weakening" Russia and ... I surmise ... depopulating Ukraine.


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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2023, 07:43:53 AM »
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  • Article there mentions video of young men being forcibly conscripted (kidnapped) in Transcarpathia.  That's the region of Ukraine that consists mostly of ethnic Hungarians.

    There was a solid and detailed analysis of the counter-offensive posted by someone detailing the fact that the Ukrainians are being deliberately sent in on ѕυιcιdє missions.  Early in the "counter-offensive", the Ukrainians were losing huge amounts of heavy equipment, so they pulled those back behind the lines and started sending waves of bodies into the slaughter, with the thinking that Russia would pull back because they're more "casualty averse".  That strategy speaks to the fact that the lives of these Ukrainian men are worth nothing to Zelensky and the Jew oligarchs.  For them, if it takes 10,000 Ukrainian lives to take 1,000 Russians, their hope is that the mounting Russian casualties will create political problems for Putin.

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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2023, 07:52:27 AM »
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  • Evidently Zelensky's top general has been questioning the entire thing.  At what point does a rational human being who cares even a lick about human lives simply recognize that there's no way they're going to win this thing, and to cut their losses and seek some kind of peace treaty with Russia, where you just say, "OK, the Eastern Russian regions can go become part of Russia."  In fact, had Jewlensky had simply committed up front to 1) not joining NATO and 2) following through on Minsk accord to stop terrorizing the Russians in Eastern Ukraine, none of this would have happened, and those territories could have remained technically part of Ukraine.

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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2023, 10:42:10 AM »
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  • It's also going to lead to more Ukrainians fleeing the country.  Current estimates are that between 8 and 12 million have already left permanently ... and they used to have a population of 43 million.  So there's already been a nearly 25% reduction in population.  I suspect that this is part of the agenda, to depopulate Ukraine so that the Jews can reclaim their ancient Khazarian homeland.  US/NATO had to know (they're not that stupid) that Ukraine could not "win" this war, so there must have been some other agendas in play also.  Perhaps it was with the intent of "weakening" Russia and ... I surmise ... depopulating Ukraine.

    Depending on your source, the number varies between 5 - 8 million. Where did you get your top estimate of 12 million? More alt-media polemics?


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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2023, 10:43:32 AM »
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  • Article there mentions video of young men being forcibly conscripted (kidnapped) in Transcarpathia.  That's the region of Ukraine that consists mostly of ethnic Hungarians.

    There was a solid and detailed analysis of the counter-offensive posted by someone detailing the fact that the Ukrainians are being deliberately sent in on ѕυιcιdє missions.  Early in the "counter-offensive", the Ukrainians were losing huge amounts of heavy equipment, so they pulled those back behind the lines and started sending waves of bodies into the slaughter, with the thinking that Russia would pull back because they're more "casualty averse".  That strategy speaks to the fact that the lives of these Ukrainian men are worth nothing to Zelensky and the Jew oligarchs.  For them, if it takes 10,000 Ukrainian lives to take 1,000 Russians, their hope is that the mounting Russian casualties will create political problems for Putin.

    Let's see your sources for your claims about the Counter-Offensive, which you previously claimed had already stopped. More alt-media propaganda and polemics?

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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2023, 10:54:03 AM »
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  • Evidently Zelensky's top general has been questioning the entire thing.

    Which Russian rag are you referencing here, when there are no public statements? Is this about Major General Eduard Mikhailovich Moskalov?

    At what point does a rational human being who cares even a lick about human lives simply recognize that there's no way they're going to win this thing, and to cut their losses and seek some kind of peace treaty with Russia, where you just say, "OK, the Eastern Russian regions can go become part of Russia."  In fact, had Jewlensky had simply committed up front to 1) not joining NATO and 2) following through on Minsk accord to stop terrorizing the Russians in Eastern Ukraine, none of this would have happened, and those territories could have remained technically part of Ukraine.

    The present conflict between Russia and Ukraine started in 2007-2008 long before Zelensky was elected in 2019. 1) If Russia had simply committed up front to not being a corrupt oligarchy that rules through murder and bribery, then Ukrainians might not be so united against Russian barbarity. 2) There were always issues with Minsk and Minsk II, but Ukraine did surrender its nuclear warheads and Russia did agreed to abide by the Budapest Memorandum. Russia is the invader and has continually encroached upon the weaker party, Ukraine, which to this day seeks to defend itself. At what point does a rational human being recognize a criminal country ruled by a murderous thug should never be allowed to get his way and to prepare a much bigger war with China against the United States?

    Putin keeps insisting on keeping the territory it has achieved through violent conquest and Ukraine will never accept this. The war will continue so long as Russia intends to take the whole of Ukraine, which it needs to wage a nuclear war. Perhaps the West will eventually force Ukraine to accept its losses in exchange for it not joining NATO for Russia's sake, but will Putin accept those terms? And for how long?

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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2023, 11:03:19 AM »
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  • Depending on your source, the number varies between 5 - 8 million. Where did you get your top estimate of 12 million? More alt-media polemics?

    Since we are talking polemics, Jews and millions, the correct number is obviously six million.

    I thought you people would know that by now.


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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #8 on: July 17, 2023, 02:34:01 PM »
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  • Assuming that you are right, dxcat40, that Putin is a tyrant who wants to invade Ukraine to satisfy his own perverse interests, how is it an issue of American interest?   Just imagine if Russia sent its military into California if the US government were to send troops into California.  Whether Russia has nefarious intentions or not, I do not see how America has any business in this affair.  As a general rule, the Western media is so dishonest, we can generally take the the contradictory position as being true.  But the media is crafty and likes to muddy the waters.  

    Western Media: Putin is evil, therefore he invades Ukraine.

    or maybe: Putin invades Ukraine, therefore he is evil.   

    Truth: Putin invades Ukraine, and he may or may not be evil.


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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #9 on: July 17, 2023, 09:26:57 PM »
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  • Assuming that you are right, dxcat40, that Putin is a tyrant who wants to invade Ukraine to satisfy his own perverse interests, how is it an issue of American interest?

    The answer is a bit complicated. A lot of the blame falls to the United States and the UK in particular that Ukraine is being invaded right now. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, it possessed the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal, more than 5000 nuclear warheads. Following independence, various countries were interested in these warheads being disposed of and especially since 1240 of them were intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), which could potentially reach Western countries and even the United States. You can read more about it if you look into the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994 and completed by 1996.

    There are more moral arguments to be made here, which you obviously don't agree with me over. The United States has been deeply involved and has made itself essential through NATO and the defense of the West against Communist aggression. Communist aggression which Russia is largely the sponsor for around the world. If you don't believe that, then do a simple search for Russia, Cuba and North Korea for some easy headlines.

    Just imagine if Russia sent its military into California if the US government were to send troops into California.

    Ukraine is not Russia. We already saw the more realistic question with Cuba. Even so, there isn't a real comparison, because the United States did not set up nuclear weapons platforms in Ukraine. It did the opposite by helping the negotiations to remove all of the warheads and dismantle any remaining weapons systems for their deployment.

    As a general rule, the Western media is so dishonest, we can generally take the the contradictory position as being true.  But the media is crafty and likes to muddy the waters.

    This has been dangerous for the alternative media, because they accept nothing but their own echo chambers for information. The mainstream media can report facts, even though they have their own spin to them. Just because it is reported in the mainstream media does not mean it never happened. There are plenty of sources that are not owned directly by TPTB that share the same information.

    Western Media: Putin is evil, therefore he invades Ukraine.

    or maybe: Putin invades Ukraine, therefore he is evil. 

    Truth: Putin invades Ukraine, and he may or may not be evil.

    Try to understand that the people you are talking about were chummy with the Russians and Communists from their beginnings. It was only near the beginning of Obama's second term and Hillary's secret meeting in Russia in 2012-2013 that we saw a flip in the Democrats to being enemies of Russia. These are people who are severely compromised and are full of corrupt dealings with Russia, China and other Communist nations. Don't take my word for it and do look into Biden and Armand Hammer or what the Mitrokhin Archive has to say about Biden's true beliefs about Communism.

    Truth: Putin invades Ukraine, the corrupt leadership in the West is helping him where they can, and the Communists involved are all evil and sacrificing human lives for their perfidious goal.

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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #10 on: July 19, 2023, 01:45:38 PM »
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  • It's also going to lead to more Ukrainians fleeing the country.  Current estimates are that between 8 and 12 million have already left permanently ... and they used to have a population of 43 million.  So there's already been a nearly 25% reduction in population.  I suspect that this is part of the agenda, to depopulate Ukraine so that the Jєωs can reclaim their ancient Khazarian homeland.  US/NATO had to know (they're not that stupid) that Ukraine could not "win" this war, so there must have been some other agendas in play also.  Perhaps it was with the intent of "weakening" Russia and ... I surmise ... depopulating Ukraine.
    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2023-07/unicef-vaccines-ukraine.html

    UNICEF delivers additional doses of vaccines to Ukraine

    The humanitarian organization has provided 657,000 doses of the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine to face the increased risk of infections caused by the war

    By Edoardo Giribaldi
    UNICEF has delivered an additional 657,000 doses of the combined measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to Ukraine as part of Ukraine’s National Vaccination Program.
    Effective protection
    Muhammad Tariq Iqbal, Immunization Specialist at UNICEF Ukraine, highlighted how “there are no specific drugs” to deal with measles infections. However, vaccines provide “effective protection,” especially for children.
    During the conflict, Ukraine registered an increase in measles cases. The cause is to be found in the overcrowding that is present in spaces such as air raid shelters.
    Joint efforts
    Ukraine’s Deputy Minister, Chief State Health Physician, Ihor Kuzin, underlined the extensive campaigns carried on by the Ministry of Health in cooperation with UNICEF and WHO to prevent a measles outbreak in the country.
    “Throughout the summer, thanks to the joint efforts of partners in the regions, children who have missed one or two vaccinations will be vaccinated," Kuzin affirmed, reiterating the risks that such a disease might cause to the youngest part of the population.
    “An infected child can transmit it to up to seven unvaccinated children on average before the onset of symptoms,” Kuzin concluded. 
    Awareness campaigns
    Jarno Habicht, WHO Representative in Ukraine, spoke about how the organization, together with its partners, “is working to make vaccines available to all."


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      Children's vaccinations on the rise after drop due to Covid-19
    18/07/2023



     One of the many interventions consists in the nationwide support of “awareness campaigns” and the conduction of “various trainings for health workers.”
    WHO has also delivered buses to the Ministry of Health, which are being used “by mobile medical teams in remote rural areas to carry out vaccinations against measles, COVID-19, tetanus and diphtheria."


    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

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    Re: Decimated Ukraine Resorts to Conscription
    « Reply #11 on: July 20, 2023, 12:50:40 AM »
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  • I don't think Ukraine is decimated, world powers just know how to prolong wars for their own benefit. Why else were we in Afghanistan, for example, for so long and with little to show for it? 
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