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Re: Distributism
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2025, 01:01:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on March 14, 2025, 12:54:06 PM
    As a general rule, violent deaths inflict chaos on the mind-- something that makes it more difficult to have the right disposition. The martyrs are the exception, not the rule. Martyrdom is a grace from God, and it's safer to assume it's a grace we won't be granted.

    Of all the things to pick an argument about this has to be one of the dumbest. It would make more sense to argue that the balloon won't go up than it would to argue that if it does it's no problem for women (however pious they are).
    The argument is that we are all going to suffer when the balloon goes up.  Why single out women?
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #31 on: March 14, 2025, 01:08:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 14, 2025, 12:49:26 PM
    Game over is such a nihilistic response.  The game is never over.  Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"

    No strawmen involved.
    You have a debt to your family in regards to their temporal welfare. Yes, the state of your soul is your most important concern, but a parent failing to do what they can to provide & care for their children and spouse is sinful. "Leaving it up to God" isn't going to help if you do not do what you can for your family's temporal needs.   
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #32 on: March 14, 2025, 01:09:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 14, 2025, 12:32:41 PM
    Could you elaborate on the Distributist communities in Spain and England?
    Just ignore my other posts, because it is not going to go anywhere useful.  I want to know this as well.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #33 on: March 14, 2025, 01:11:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 14, 2025, 12:49:26 PM
    Game over is such a nihilistic response.  The game is never over.  Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"

    No strawmen involved.
    Your strawman is that I discourage you from empowering yourself to survive what's coming. If you read your ridiculous subsequent comments, that is what you partly argued against (the strawman). But in fact I said exactly, "your loved ones and you better have some physical skills in something, or it's game over".
    Ding bat. But you try to avoid your fallacy by accusing me of nihilism.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #34 on: March 14, 2025, 01:19:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 14, 2025, 01:01:50 PM
    The argument is that we are all going to suffer when the balloon goes up.  Why single out women?
    Because they are weaker. And because if they lack strong and loyal men around them, they are even weaker than usual. That makes them more vulnerable. Which makes it more likely for them to be violently raped and killed.  
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #35 on: March 14, 2025, 01:31:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 14, 2025, 01:00:37 PM
    The only thing we should fear is God.  If we are with God, then the angels and God have are back.  I don't understand why people act like only evil exists, and all the good is dead.  (Yes an over-exaggeration, I admit it, but I am frustrated.)

    I agree. There are many examples of the protection provided by Divine Providence, if the one needing protection loves and is devoted to God with all of his or her heart, mind and soul.

    It can be more fun or entertaining, for some, to think of only the bad, and to forget about the goodness of God. Our fallen nature lends itself more to thinking only of the bad. 
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #36 on: March 14, 2025, 01:37:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 14, 2025, 08:41:50 AM
    (Said with a sarcastic frustrated tone)

    So basically, since I am the only woman among my loved ones, I should just prepare to die.

    Because if I ask for help, I am throwing my family under the bus, and if I make things happen I am controlling. I can't win.

    (The only real thing one can do)

    I will leave it to God.
    This was said with sarcasm and humor.  I even said it was that and everyone took it so seriously.  Oh wait!  I see now it was the sarcastic frustrated tone I used.  It was because I say I am frustrated.  I am frustrated.  I am frustrated with Catholic men on the internet taking every opportunity to put me in my place because they what?  I don't know. :cowboy: Feel it's their duty?  I am nobody to them, so why does it matter.

    Then you all turned it into women beware they are going to come for you.

    Back to distributism.

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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #37 on: March 14, 2025, 01:38:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 14, 2025, 01:31:04 PM
    I agree. There are many examples of the protection provided by Divine Providence, if the one needing protection loves and is devoted to God with all of his or her heart, mind and soul.

    It can be more fun or entertaining, for some, to think of only the bad, and to forget about the goodness of God. Our fallen nature lends itself more to thinking only of the bad.
    Thank you and well said. :cowboy:
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #38 on: March 14, 2025, 02:12:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 14, 2025, 01:31:04 PM
    I agree. There are many examples of the protection provided by Divine Providence, if the one needing protection loves and is devoted to God with all of his or her heart, mind and soul.

    It can be more fun or entertaining, for some, to think of only the bad, and to forget about the goodness of God. Our fallen nature lends itself more to thinking only of the bad.
    So the German sisters and nuns in their convents, who were raped and murdered by the invading commie jew Soviets during WWII, didn't love God with all their hearts, minds and souls. Their devotion was not up to God's satisfaction.

    It's incredible that you and Gray go to bed every night with your doors and windows unlocked because, hey, God has your back and He doesn't require you to do your part in your own security. You're such uber pious living saints, therefore, you can just leave it all to God. You don't even have to fuel up your car because God will instantly keep your tank full so you can keep driving.

    You don't get to choose the place, day or hour when evil comes to visit you. Be prepared. Be capable.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #39 on: March 14, 2025, 02:31:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on March 14, 2025, 02:12:50 PM
    So the German sisters and nuns in their convents, who were raped and murdered by the invading commie jew Soviets during WWII, didn't love God with all their hearts, minds and souls. Their devotion was not up to God's satisfaction.

    It's incredible that you and Gray go to bed every night with your doors and windows unlocked because, hey, God has your back and He doesn't require you to do your part in your own security. You're such uber pious living saints, therefore, you can just leave it all to God. You don't even have to fuel up your car because God will instantly keep your tank full so you can keep driving.

    You don't get to choose the place, day or hour when evil comes to visit you. Be prepared. Be capable.
    And if I am raped and murder that was God's plan for me. Your thought process is convoluted by your own ideas. My point is that I accept God's will for me and live my life accordingly. Stop making it something different.  

    What good is all this fear mongering? It comes directly frome the evil one. If we are worried or scared we are easier to attack.
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #40 on: March 14, 2025, 02:33:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on March 14, 2025, 02:12:50 PM
    You don't get to choose the place, day or hour when evil comes to visit you. Be prepared. Be capable.

    True. But being prepared isn't just about locking one's doors and windows, or being able to defend oneself, or having a strong man about. It also (mainly) has to do with love, trust, and devotion to Our Lord and his Blessed Mother. Or is it only about the physical world (and what we can see with our eyes) that's important for you? 
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #41 on: March 14, 2025, 02:38:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 14, 2025, 12:49:26 PM
    Game over is such a nihilistic response.  The game is never over.  Death leads to eternity, the only thing I need to worry about is "Am I right with God?"

    No strawmen involved.
    "The game" is absolutely over once you die, your place in eternity being the "prize" you have won. "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith"
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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #42 on: March 14, 2025, 02:55:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 14, 2025, 02:31:47 PM
    And if I am raped and murder that was God's plan for me.
    :facepalm:

    God never plans evil upon His children.

    Now, you're backpedaling because you have been made to realize how retarded your "I'm so pious that I can remain idle and God will protect me" argument is.

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    What good is all this fear mongering? It comes directly frome the evil one. If we are worried or scared we are easier to attack
    There is no fear-mongering. God even tells us to be prepared and watchful.

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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #43 on: March 14, 2025, 02:59:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on March 14, 2025, 02:33:55 PM
    True. But being prepared isn't just about locking one's doors and windows, or being able to defend oneself, or having a strong man about. It also (mainly) has to do with love, trust, and devotion to Our Lord and his Blessed Mother.
    No shit, Sherlock.

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    Or is it only about the physical world (and what we can see with our eyes) that's important for you?
    That's your implied strawman because you now realize you've lost the argument.



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    Re: Distributism
    « Reply #44 on: March 14, 2025, 03:33:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on March 14, 2025, 02:59:24 PM
    No shit, Sherlock.
    That's your implied strawman because you now realize you've lost the argument.

    What argument have I lost? 
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