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Offline poche

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Dispensations?
« on: June 21, 2013, 04:43:16 AM »
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  • How do the Traditionalist bishops handle dispensations when a couple wants to get married and they need a dispensation? In a lot of places I get the impression that it is not much more than filling out a form and going to a class. In the 18th century it was very different. The bishop and his vicars would also assign a penance.
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     1795 Sep. 30

    Penalver y Cardenas, Luis Bishop
    (New Orleans)
    The Bishop decrees:
    1) That having examined these documents concerning Hipolito Landry's petition for a dispensation to marry Margarita Richard he dispenses them from the impediment of consanguinity and considers as legitimate any children they may have.
    2) Moreover, that the parties must cease living under the same roof for one month, so that they may restore with their example all they have destroyed by their scandal.
    3) Moreover, in order to absolve them from their fault, that during the publication of the banns they must daily pray on knees that three parts of the rosary and contribute twenty "pesos" of alms to their parish.
    4) Furthermore, to this end, that a decree be sent to the pastor Buenaventura de Castro of Iberville, so that he may dispense them from the publication of the banns. Signed by the Bishop and witnessed by Rivas.
    --To this document is added a note by Rivas certifying that the decree was sent to the Pastor of Iberville, Buenaventure de Castro.

    http://archives.nd.edu/mano/17950930.htm

    Offline TKGS

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    Dispensations?
    « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 06:58:42 AM »
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  • I tell my children that, should they choose to marry, they must marry a traditional Catholic for there is no bishop with ordinary jurisdiction available to them (at this time) to give dispensation for any marriage that would require a dispensation.

    I don't know if any traditional bishops attempt to give dispensations, but the fact is that they don't have the legal authority, even under the extraordinary circumstances in which we find ourselves today, to give dispensations to baptized Catholic faithful who wish to marry.  

    I know one particular independent traditional priest who would not marry a couple until the man converted and he, the priest, was sure the man as truly convinced of the truth of the Catholic faith.  The priest said he had not the authority to marry them in the Church.  To my knowledge, this couple never did marry and the man eventually abandoned any pretense of even learning the Catholic faith.  (N.B.:  I doubt this would have been a successful marriage and had they had children, the family would have not remained Catholic.  This is the problem with mixed marriages.)

    As to the question of how traditional clergy deal with couples who, having been illegally married (according to Church law) or given dispensations by Conciliar bishops and later find the traditional Church, I really don't know.  Somehow, I think such should probably be treated as converts would have been treated in the early Church.  Past irregularities are probably dealt with in the confessional while potential irregularities would be disallowed.

    This may be a burden for some, but it is a burden that will ultimately be better for all concerned.  The Conciliar church, having completely distorted the ends of marriage (even to the point in which the current Conciliar pope supports legal marriage of sodomites as long as the title of their disgusting union is called something else, i.e., "civil unions"), is unable even to understand the purpose of dispensations let alone give them for honorable reasons.  They don't know how to marry anyone so they are willing to dissolve virtually all marriages as well.


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    Dispensations?
    « Reply #2 on: June 22, 2013, 03:37:21 AM »
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  • Has anyone ever heard of penances given in order to gain a dispansation?

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    « Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 12:10:50 PM »
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  • Marrying a traditional catholic is the best option. Mind you, it can be problematic finding one.
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    « Reply #4 on: June 23, 2013, 12:17:14 PM »
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  • I would never marry a non-Catholic, even if I could get a "dispensation". Not a chance. Traditional Catholic girl for me, or I won't marry.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 12:37:12 PM »
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  • Traditional Catholic bishops don't have jurisdiction, which is required for the binding and loosing of laws (in this case, the precept against mixed marriages) so it's a moot point.  
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