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« on: April 20, 2011, 09:17:39 PM »
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    Disney's POCAHONTAS ~ Berit Kjos

    Assertive and free-spirited, the new Disney heroine models today's feminist ideal. Pocahontas follows her dreams and submits to no one. Brave and athletic, she scales mountains, climbs trees, and steers a canoe better than a man. Like "women who run with wolves," she does what she wants--and does it well.

    "What is my path?" she asks the wise old spirit of Grandmother Willow, a magical tree in the forest. "How am I ever going to find it?" "Listen..." says her enchanted counselor. "All around you are spirits, child. They live in the earth, the water, the sky. If you listen, they will guide you." The Indian maiden believes. Why shouldn't she? Not only does the tree spirit's advice fit the context of Disney's fictionalized history, it also fits today's cultural shift toward a global spirituality, a seductive blend of all the world's religions. Few realize that when children learn to see the world through a pantheistic 1 lens, our Christian words take on a new universalist meaning.

    The villains in Disney's new fantasy are the greedy white males who have come to exploit the land and steal its gold. Even the best of them, handsome John Smith, is made to look foolish compared to the nature-wise woman he loves. Their exchange of wisdom flows one way only: from Indian to European. So when Smith unwittingly offers to build an English civilization on Indian lands, Pocahontas shows her disgust, then teaches him a lesson on pagan oneness. Her message now echoes in the hearts of children everywhere through the hit song "The Colors of the Wind", which keeps reminding them that mountains, trees... everything is filled with spiritual life and linked in a never-ending circle.

    It all makes sense when you watch the movie. With subtle mastery, its makers highlight the anti-Western message and stir predictable indignation: How can the crude British sailors, so ignorant of the spiritual things, call natives "heathen"? Those Christian intruders are the real savages who batter the earth and rob its friends.

    In contrast, the Indians seem flawless. They care for the land. They commune with its spirits. They love each other. Kekata, the tribal shaman or medicine man provides spiritual protection and guidance. The ghostly images in the smoke from his magic fire warn the tribe to shun the newcomers who "prowl the earth like ravenous wolves." The only exception is John Smith who has learned to see life and nature from Pocahonta's perspective. In the end, he risks his life to stop the war.

    In line with today's quest for gender "equity", the deep spiritual insights come from women. As multicultural lessons tell us: patriarchy brings war and oppression; matriarchy brings wisdom and peace -- especially if the female heroines are non-Western. It doesn't matter if the source of matriarchal wisdom comes from humans, ancestral spirits, or nature spirits. So when chief Powhatan feels the spirit of Pocahontas dead mother guiding him, he heeds her lofty wisdom: "...there will be no more killing. Let us be guided instead to a place of peace."

    The true story about Pocahontas would have undermined Disney's politically correct message. It tells about a girl between 10 and 14 years old, who helped the settlers of the Jamestown colony. They, in turn, shared their Christian faith with her. Pocahontas apparently accepted Christ and was baptized. After she married John Rolfe, the two traveled to England where she was "received at the court."2 On the return trip, the brave 22-year-old died of smallpox.

    Pocahontas' tribe belonged to the Algonkin family, a nation at war long before European settlers came. Dr. Clark Wissler, an anthropologist recognized as a world authority on the American Indian, tells how the "warlike" Iroquois invaded Algonkin country. Like other nations throughout history--Greek, Aztec, English, etc.--they expanded into new territories. "The Algonkin were not merely at war with Iroquois but often with each other. There were about a hundred Algonkin tribes... In revenge for past injuries, a few members of one tribe would stealthily approach the camp of a hostile tribe, take a scalp or two and escape.... [T]he highest honors went to the man who was the most daring and ruthless in such raids...."3

    Not unique to Indians, brutality has characterized all cultures inspired by occult powers--Norse, Aztec, Babylonian, nαzι.... Disney simply twisted the fact. Remember, history docuмents Pocahontas' conversion to Christianity, not Smith's conversion to pantheism.

    But do the facts really matter? After all, this is only a Disney movie!

    Columnist Thomas Sowell, Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, has an insightful response: "The curriculum, the movie screen, the art gallery... are all ideological battlefields -- and in most of these institutions, only one side is battling. That is why they are winning.... Being factually wrong does not matter to those who are politically correct.... charges which turn out to be hoaxes do not bother them because these charges serve to raise consciousness....4

    To shift America's consciousness from a ʝʊdɛօ/Christian world view to a global/earth-centered perspective, Disney and other social engineers have invented new role models not tainted by an uncompromising reality. They know that rational arguments do less to change consciousness than an incessant flood of ideas and impressions. Advertisers wouldn't pay millions for minute-long televised exposure if it didn't help sell their product. Facts matters little compared to the perceived goodness and subjective feelings of the viewer.

    Since Pocahontas majors in spectacular scenery, delightful animals, and feel good sentiments, its subtle seductions are difficult to resist. People ask, "Why shouldn't we all be one family? How can it be wrong to love and respect all religions? So much is good -- why focus on the bad?" The most seductive deceptions hide behind "good" ideals. God calls His people be in the world but not of the world, to be missionaries but not mission fields, to share His love without compromising His truth. That love must point the way to Christ, not conform His message to the world. Spirituality without the cross 5 can only lead to disillusionment in the present life and separation from God for eternity. While this politically incorrect message may divide and disturb, we cannot change reality to fit popular beliefs. Pocahontas does just that.

    Don't be discouraged. "Blessed are you," said Jesus, "when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad for great is your reward in heaven...."6

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon


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    « Reply #1 on: April 20, 2011, 10:39:41 PM »
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  • Good article. For some reason I never liked the Disney Pocahontas much when I was younger. I much preferred the 30min. animation that was produced by some small film company (cant remember the name). In that version I remember Pocahontas being young and feminine, helpful and obedient, and John Smith was intelligent and diplomatic. The Indians and the English quarrel, but forgive and help one another in the end. What was also nice about that version was there was no stupid love story like Disney chose to concoct. Pocahontas makes her "claim" on Smith out of compassion, not romance.
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    « Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 10:27:23 PM »
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  • Almost every single Disney movie I've ever seen has some kind of love story. I mean come on, is that really necessary? We're talking about a target audience that is generally below puberty. What is up with that?


    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2011, 04:08:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lybus
    Almost every single Disney movie I've ever seen has some kind of love story. I mean come on, is that really necessary? We're talking about a target audience that is generally below puberty. What is up with that?



    Little girls used to want to grow up to be married and have a family.  Part of wanting to marry involved a hope and a dream that they might marry someone they loved, who was good and kind and brave.  Folk and fairy tales continue that theme, with stories like Snow White and Cinderella which teach little girls about goodness and evil.  

    These two "princesses" for example are exceeding good: kind, generous, sweet and self-sacrificing.  The princes embody not only their dreams for a home and family of their own ... they signify (by the princes' status and heroism) that their goodness has merited a lifetime of love and protection.

    I'd say the same about Princess Aurora in Sleeping Beauty....however she spends half the movie asleep due to a curse from a jealous evil fairy/witch!  But the key here is that she was depicted as a princess in need of rescuing by her good and handsome prince.

    I agree about Pochohantas however.  It's a woman's empowerment flick (note again that part of empowerment is being half naked) .... Indian women wore pants under their tunics .. They would have been shocked to see the way Pochohantas was depicted.

    Also disliked: Jasmine from Aladdin, Ariel from The Little Mermaid and Mulan from Mulan.

    Jasmine and Ariel were disobedient to their fathers, and interestingly enough, dressed immodestly as well!  Mulan didn't because she was disguised as a boy to go to war!  She disobeyed her father as well.

    The new "princesses" are not the good, docile, humble girls they used to be.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 08:56:30 PM »
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  • Walt Dinsey was a 33 degree Freemason. No surprise that this kind of junk made its way into the Disney movies. Even when I was young, I never liked this mooshy-gooshy junk. Looking back on it, it reminds me of the modernists. It's all about warm, fuzzy love. This stuff about a girl dating a beast, Snow White dancing around the woods, etc. just gave me a strange feeling in my stomach. Yuck. I'll pass on such movies.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #5 on: April 28, 2011, 10:23:06 AM »
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  • The devil aims for the children in his vile attempts to destroy civillisation. These movies are floods of iniquity and it is not easy to erase the effects of this indoctrination from the minds of people who have indulged in this 'libertine banquet' of sickly philosophies since their childhood.

    Only through the grace of God one can be liberated from such deeply ingrained errors.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 28, 2011, 01:05:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Exilenomore
    The devil aims for the children in his vile attempts to destroy civillisation. These movies are floods of iniquity and it is not easy to erase the effects of this indoctrination from the minds of people who have indulged in this 'libertine banquet' of sickly philosophies since their childhood.

    Only through the grace of God one can be liberated from such deeply ingrained errors.


    I agree that much of our culture has been feeding the monster that is the media and that there's an awful lot, most of it is bad.  And that our children have been the unwitting victims of the lies and falsehoods (of the devil) through these outlets.

    That said, I do make distinctions between the old films of Disney versus the newer versions.  I do not find anything wrong with Snow White or Cinderella.  

    As far as the influence I received as a child through watching Sunday evening Disney specials and a variety of Disney movies of that time period ... it was one of the things that comforted me (I was raised in a non-Christian home), the depiction of idealized families, clean homes, safe surroundings and happiness and joy expressed in the simple things in life.

    Was it as good as our Catholic Faith?  Did it measure up to the depth and scope of Christianity?  No.  It was, in retrospect, a pale imitation of the Truth.  But that imitation was like a lifeline to hope that their might be a better way of living out there in the world beyond my own reality.

    I was raised in an anti Christian home by two victims of the cultural revolution of the 60's.  It was dark, miserable home.  Drug addiction and paranoia and unhappiness were the order of the day.  As a child, Disney was one of the little avenues of "escape" that I had at that time of my life.

    There were my grandparent's as well...who lived in the light, if not THE LIGHT .. and other things that I won't bore you all with ..

    But Disney (old Disney) was one of my happy memories.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 28, 2011, 01:59:35 PM »
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    This stuff about a girl dating a beast, Snow White dancing around the woods, etc. just gave me a strange feeling in my stomach. Yuck. I'll pass on such movies.


    I had the exact same reaction to Disney stuff I saw when I was younger, a funny feeling.  There is something repulsive that streams from Disney movies, you're either sensitive to it or you're not.  Women, for whatever reason, don't seem to pick up on it and sentimentalize Disney.

    Disney was never any better than it is now.  It was barely even more discreet.  Fantasia even in the 50's had girl-centaurs in floral bikinis, dancing with Pan, so Disney was way ahead of the curve pushing immorality and was openly Satanic.  

    The older films are certainly occult, they are just not as overtly occult as the modern ones.  Cinderella wears a nice dress, but you feel the same kind of ritualistic Rosicrucian occult themes being played out under the surface, usually with the death and rebirth emphasis, Persephone in Hades, etc.

    Certain Disney films are so Satanic they are perversely mesmerizing.  My favorite was Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen with Lindsay Lohan, but I had to throw it away since it had blasphemy.  Also, the way Lindsay's chest is given the star treatment is really pervy.  

    But not even Salvador Dali could conceive of anything so surreal.  Lindsay is in love with this Jєωιѕн guy who never says anything and just kind of lurks around like a creeper.  There are all these ultra-bizarre subliminal moments, like with the Jєω playing hide-and-go-seek in a costume room, where there is a poster of Faust, etc.  

    At the end, there is a play-within-a-play, a sort of Masonic version of Pygmalion ( which I guess is already Masonic ) called "Eliza Rocks" with communist-looking clone kids typing on now-dated ipods, and Lindsay intoning a hymn to self-worship.  Check out the hand gestures --



    This movie is crazy even by Disney standards, but I'm not sure if that has something to do with Disney or with Lindsay Lohan, all of whose films carry a Satanic stench that is overpowering.  With LL there are constant themes of doubling and twins and alternate personalities.

    To get back to your "strange feeling," SS, that is deliberate on the devil's part.  When we have a strange feeling about something, and then go along with it as normal because others are treating it as normal, we are being programmed and desensitized.  The media is the devil's biggest tool.  People don't know what they're doing when they have these deadly things in their home, televisions, they think "Oh, I can tell good from bad," they don't realize they are getting sucked in in many ways without realizing it.  Even if they don't end up worshipping Satan, they get various worldly attitudes and ideas, etc.  

    I leave you with Johnny Depp AKA Jack Sparrow AKA Satan making goo-goo eyes at a goat from the Pirates of the Rosicrucian.  



    These films, in a series of codes and symbols, are essentially a Satanic boast where the devil talks about his various plans for destruction and how he is carrying them out.  "God" in these films would be the villain, as usual, in Pirates he is "Lord Cutler" Becket, leader of the "East India Trading Company," because God comes from the East, get it?  
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 28, 2011, 02:04:47 PM »
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  • Well, I don't see demonic elements in those older stories.  What about the fact that these stories, specifically, Cinderella and Snow White are taken from old folk tales?  Are you also distrustful of the intent of folk tales for the same reasons?  I'd always understood them to be morality plays in varying degrees.  Often warning children and others of deception and the disguises of evil.  

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    « Reply #9 on: April 28, 2011, 03:56:50 PM »
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  • I agree with Raoul. The feeling I got when I watched part of Snow White growing up was indeed a strange one. That evil woman who looks somewhat like a demon that talks to that creepy mirror. Disgusting. Something else is that in most of Disney's movies, there is always some kind of "magical" theme.

    In Cinderella, she gets a fairy godmother who can perform all this magic. There's also magic in Snow White, Pocahontas (to an extent), and most of their other movies. There was one when Mickey Mouse was in a wizard's hat (that was Fantasia I think, but I wouldn't know for sure because I never actually watched Fantasia). Disney is trying to make a distinction between "good" magic and bad magic. It's the same sneaky technique that is used in Harry Potter.

    Something else the movies do is that they make kids think that there is magic everywhere when in reality only God can perform any kind of miracle. It's a slow process that is easy to get kids to fall into. All this stuff about genies and making wishes, using good luck charms, birth signs, etc. is what a child will slowly but steadily start following. Superstition comes from the devil, and the fact that Disney approves of it (though not surprising) is quite sad and attrocious.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 29, 2011, 10:41:32 PM »
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  • There is a difference in the old Disney and the new Eisner Disney.
    The females in the earlier tales were feminine and nurturing. I do remember complaints regarding the early Disney with the use of anthropomorphism but I can't remember if those complaints were coming from the Church.

    The new "princesses" are drawn with anime eyes which makes them look somewhat outer-space alien. They are defiant and independent.
    I imagine, but have not seen any recent Eisner cartoons or films, that the cartoons and films are just full of liberal propaganda.
    The princess cartoons were little "chick flicks". Not made for boys really.

    In the human category, look at the stars of these Eisner films now compared to the stars of early Disney.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 30, 2011, 10:19:29 AM »
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  • Mulan was based on the story of Hua Mu Lan.



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    « Reply #12 on: April 30, 2011, 10:28:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76

    The older films are certainly occult, they are just not as overtly occult as the modern ones.  Cinderella wears a nice dress, but you feel the same kind of ritualistic Rosicrucian occult themes being played out under the surface, usually with the death and rebirth emphasis, Persephone in Hades, etc.



    I dont see anything occultic about it. If I'm correct, Cinderella has been around much longer than what Disney has. The Chinese actually have a version of the story.
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    « Reply #13 on: April 30, 2011, 10:32:19 AM »
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    These films, in a series of codes and symbols, are essentially a Satanic boast where the devil talks about his various plans for destruction and how he is carrying them out.  "God" in these films would be the villain, as usual, in Pirates he is "Lord Cutler" Becket, leader of the "East India Trading Company," because God comes from the East, get it?  


     :facepalm: Raoul, there is PLENTY of blatant occult symbolism in POTC (the overturning of the Black Pearl for example). Stick to the obvious and leave out your obscure metaphors.

    Becket representing God? Come on...
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    « Reply #14 on: April 30, 2011, 12:54:16 PM »
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    These films, in a series of codes and symbols, are essentially a Satanic boast where the devil talks about his various plans for destruction and how he is carrying them out.  "God" in these films would be the villain, as usual, in Pirates he is "Lord Cutler" Becket, leader of the "East India Trading Company," because God comes from the East, get it?  


     :facepalm: Raoul, there is PLENTY of blatant occult symbolism in POTC (the overturning of the Black Pearl for example). Stick to the obvious and leave out your obscure metaphors.

    Becket representing God? Come on...



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