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Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2023, 09:30:30 AM »
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  • Very interesting! I've never noticed the difference in sizes! I learned how and when to make the sign of the Cross from a priest. I already knew this before starting to use the website. So now you're up on me!

    All I know is that only once do you sign your lips: Domine labia mea aperies.... (Matins)

    Only once do you sign your chest: Converte nos..... (Compline)

    All other S'sOTC are normal.

    Yes, you may certainly pray the ANTE and POST at each office. I'm just a lazy scoundrel!
    The SoTCs match up with what you said. I should have posted a latin image for ease of use.


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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #46 on: August 15, 2023, 09:34:58 AM »
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  • Also I couldn't notice any changes when I ticked the Pius XII psalm box or the antique hymns box.


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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #47 on: August 15, 2023, 09:41:11 AM »
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  • The SoTCs match up with what you said. I should have posted a latin image for ease of use.


    Reading the help page I found this.... also it is a little out dated, since there is now 8 options and more than just all/psalms.


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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #48 on: August 15, 2023, 09:47:20 AM »
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  • I have one final question (i think). What is the difference between?

    Hodie
    Dedicatio
    Defunctorum
    Parvum B.V.M

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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #49 on: August 16, 2023, 08:47:52 AM »
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  • Also I couldn't notice any changes when I ticked the Pius XII psalm box or the antique hymns box.

    Not sure to what you are referring here. I believe that the entire site uses the Vulgate/Douay translations, no matter what promulgation you are praying. Is that what you mean?


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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #50 on: August 16, 2023, 08:54:21 AM »
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  • I have one final question (i think). What is the difference between?

    Hodie
    Dedicatio
    Defunctorum
    Parvum B.V.M

    Hodie is the Office of the day. That's what you want to use every day.

    Dedicatio is the Office for the dedication of a church. That's a very special occasion, which you might never use in your life.

    Defunctorum is the Office of the Dead. You may want to offer that for a friend, benefactor or loved one on the day of their death or burial, or as a votive offering for their soul.

    Parvum BVM is the Office of our Lady, which can be prayed devotionally, like a Votive Mass. But Her Feasts are proper in the Hodie, and there are many, so I stick with the Feast of the day.

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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #51 on: August 16, 2023, 02:35:34 PM »
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  • Have you tried reaching out to the Dominicans? Welcome! - Dominicans of Avrille, France (dominicansavrille.us)
    Those interested in the Dominican life are most welcome to come for a visit. It’s much easier than many think, because it is not necessary to know French before coming (most of the fathers speak English). Female family members may be lodged at the monastery of our contemplative sisters, which is just next door. If one decides to stay for an extended period in order to try out his vocation, the boys’ high school provides ample opportunity for learning enough French to get by rather quickly.
    All letters may be sent to:

    Master of Novices
    Couvent de la Haye-aux-Bonshommes
    49240 AVRILLE
    France
    Tel: [33] 2 41-69-20-06
    Fax: [33] 2 41-34-40-49
    If you are more comfortable, you may contact us online.



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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #52 on: August 16, 2023, 09:47:33 PM »
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  • Hodie is the Office of the day. That's what you want to use every day.

    Dedicatio is the Office for the dedication of a church. That's a very special occasion, which you might never use in your life.

    Defunctorum is the Office of the Dead. You may want to offer that for a friend, benefactor or loved one on the day of their death or burial, or as a votive offering for their soul.

    Parvum BVM is the Office of our Lady, which can be prayed devotionally, like a Votive Mass. But Her Feasts are proper in the Hodie, and there are many, so I stick with the Feast of the day.
    Thank you for the clarification. The help section didn't mention what they were. Also when reading the martins I notice the gospel is not displayed in full. Are we supposed to manually read the gospel that is missing? Here it says "And so on".



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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #53 on: August 16, 2023, 09:52:25 PM »
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  • Not sure to what you are referring here. I believe that the entire site uses the Vulgate/Douay translations, no matter what promulgation you are praying. Is that what you mean?
    From the options settings, I thought somethings would change when the boxes were ticked. (Pius 12 and antique hymns did nothing for me when checked).


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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #54 on: August 17, 2023, 09:12:26 AM »
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  • Thank you for the clarification. The help section didn't mention what they were. Also when reading the martins I notice the gospel is not displayed in full. Are we supposed to manually read the gospel that is missing? Here it says "And so on".



    Yes, the Gospel in the Third Nocturn is always simply introduced. I have no idea if the rubrics require it be read in full, or simply alluded to prior to the readings. If it is a proper Feast with a Gospel that is not recited often, or a Sunday Gospel, I always read the whole thing. You will notice that the Third Nocturn can become a bit repetitious with regard to the Common of Confessors. Oft times one or a few of the same Gospel passages repeat over and over with the same readings. I generally skip reading the whole Gospel passage those days because I'm so familiar with them. Salt of the earth, etc. Likewise the ten wise virgins, etc. 

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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #55 on: August 17, 2023, 09:17:52 AM »
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  • From the options settings, I thought somethings would change when the boxes were ticked. (Pius 12 and antique hymns did nothing for me when checked).



    Oh boy, now I am learning from your researches!!! I went and found what you've highlighted in options. Apparently you can choose the "Pius XII Psalter." I've never done that before.

    Just tried it. OUCH!!!!!!!!!

    I think that might be the "Cardinal" Bea quagmire!! OUCH!!!!!!!

    It is NOT the Vulgate!

    AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!

    Reading that Latinized fakery is akin to drilling holes in your head. AVOID!




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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #56 on: August 17, 2023, 09:20:53 AM »
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  • Oh boy, now I am learning from your researches!!! I went and found what you've highlighted in options. Apparently you can choose the "Pius XII Psalter." I've never done that before.

    Just tried it. OUCH!!!!!!!!!

    I think that might be the "Cardinal" Bea quagmire!! OUCH!!!!!!!

    It is NOT the Vulgate!

    AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!

    Reading that Latinized fakery is akin to drilling holes in your head. AVOID!
    Thanks though when I checked the box I noticed no change, same for antique hymns.

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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #57 on: August 17, 2023, 03:55:50 PM »
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  • Thanks though when I checked the box I noticed no change, same for antique hymns.

    Yes, they are different:

    Examples:

    Vulgate: [size=+2]V[/size]eníte, exsultémus Dómino, iubilémus Deo, salutári nostro: præoccupémus fáciem eius in confessióne, et in psalmis iubilémus ei.

    Pius XII: [size=+2]V[/size]eníte, exsultémus Dómino, acclamémus Petræ salútis nostræ: accedámus in conspéctum eius cuм láudibus, cuм cánticis exsultémus ei.

    Vulgate: Nonne Deo subiécta erit ánima mea? * ab ipso enim salutáre meum. 61:3 Nam et ipse Deus meus, et salutáris meus: * suscéptor meus, non movébor ámplius.

    Pius XII: In Deo tantum quiéscit ánima mea, * ab ipso venit salus mea.
    61:2 Ipse tantum est petra mea et salus mea, * præsídium meum: nequáquam movébor.

    Two totally different translations. One from the Church and the other from the imposture. Put the Latin Psalms side by side and you'll see that they are entirely different.


    Sorry, the text size has gone mad!

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    Re: Discerning vocation to monastic life/hermit?
    « Reply #58 on: August 19, 2023, 03:00:03 AM »
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  • Yes, the Gospel in the Third Nocturn is always simply introduced. I have no idea if the rubrics require it be read in full, or simply alluded to prior to the readings. If it is a proper Feast with a Gospel that is not recited often, or a Sunday Gospel, I always read the whole thing. You will notice that the Third Nocturn can become a bit repetitious with regard to the Common of Confessors. Oft times one or a few of the same Gospel passages repeat over and over with the same readings. I generally skip reading the whole Gospel passage those days because I'm so familiar with them. Salt of the earth, etc. Likewise the ten wise virgins, etc.
    In the Roman rite the Gospel fragment only is read, or chanted, by the third most senior cleric present.  All stand for the fragment then sit for the rest of the 7th lesson, the homily part.  

    In the Monastic rite the Gospel fragement is read as in the secular rite but then, later, the entire Gospel is read after the Te Deum and before Te decet laus.

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    « Reply #59 on: August 19, 2023, 04:34:51 AM »
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  • In the Roman rite the Gospel fragment only is read, or chanted, by the third most senior cleric present.  All stand for the fragment then sit for the rest of the 7th lesson, the homily part. 

    In the Monastic rite the Gospel fragement is read as in the secular rite but then, later, the entire Gospel is read after the Te Deum and before Te decet laus.

    Thank you, Philip! 😊