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Did Jesus really have long hair?
« on: December 26, 2021, 04:32:03 AM »
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  • This passage from 1 Corinthians 11 seems to suggest that men shouldn’t have long hair. I don’t like when men wear their hair long. Do you think that Jesus had long hair because he was a teacher or is it possible he didn’t have long hair?



    “Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you.  But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.  Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraceth his head.  But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered, disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.  For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head.  The man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man.  For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man. For the man was not created for the woman, but the woman for the man.  Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels.  But yet neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the Lord.  For as the woman is of the man, so also is the man by the woman: but all things of God. You yourselves judge: doth it become a woman, to pray unto God uncovered?  Doth not even nature itself teach you, that a man indeed, if he nourish his hair, it is a shame unto him?  But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.  But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor the church of God.”
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #1 on: December 26, 2021, 04:59:27 AM »
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  • All the pictures of Our Lord portray Him with long hair. 

    He's not a mythical being; He actually existed/exists and walked the earth for 33 years. He had a physical body, with a certain ethnicity and genetics, which fundamentally excludes all other shapes and forms. You can't have more than one form or appearance at a time. Saying "yes" to one is saying "no" to an infinity of other potential choices.
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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #2 on: December 26, 2021, 05:03:34 AM »
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  • All the pictures of Our Lord portray Him with long hair.

    He's not a mythical being; He actually existed/exists and walked the earth for 33 years. He had a physical body, with a certain ethnicity and genetics, which fundamentally excludes all other shapes and forms. You can't have more than one form or appearance at a time. Saying "yes" to one is saying "no" to an infinity of other potential choices.



    Thanks for the input, Matthew, but what do you make of that quote from 1 Corinthians above?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #3 on: December 26, 2021, 05:30:14 AM »
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  • Thanks for the input, Matthew, but what do you make of that quote from 1 Corinthians above?

    Well he did say "nourish his hair", not "grow his hair long". There's a difference.

    You could say the same with beards! There's letting nature take its course (grow a beard), which is 100% natural, but then you COULD spend hours on sculpting your beard, primping and preening, buying all kinds of hot oils and waxes for it, spend time every day trimming it, etc. like some Millennials do these days. Beards are really in fashion now, but they do it in a feminine way. There are plenty of soy-boys who have full beards and are quite effeminate in their habits and speech.

    There's a whole industry now for "beard grooming/care" but not just the shaving aspect. We're talking about care of the beard itself. Real men do NOT get on board with that.

    Actually, I pick on the Millennials (and it's true, they're the ones doing this) but it's been a problem in the past. Men spent so much time vainly doing their mustaches that the Amish decided they wouldn't grow them -- despite growing a full beard otherwise. That's why, to this day, the Amish grow full beards, minus the mustache. The famous "Abe Lincoln" beard.
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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #4 on: December 26, 2021, 05:43:46 AM »
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  • QVD, The passage you quoted makes no mention of the length of the hair. It speaks rather of the head, meaning authority. It does speaks against men prissying up their hair. This is abhorrent unmanly behaviour.

    I believe Jesus hair was probably kept to a convenient length to just short of the shoulder.

    Have a look at the shroud and at the veil of Veronica. In both of these His hair appears to come to around the nape of the neck.

    On the other hand John the Baptist was a nazarite (correct me if I am wrong) and so did not cut his hair nor take strong drink. Both Samuel and Sampson were also nazarites. Long hair in these cases is far from a sign of effeminacy. Contrarywise, it was a sign of their vow to God.

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #5 on: December 26, 2021, 06:33:48 AM »
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  • Well he did say "nourish his hair", not "grow his hair long". There's a difference.

    You could say the same with beards! There's letting nature take its course (grow a beard), which is 100% natural, but then you COULD spend hours on sculpting your beard, primping and preening, buying all kinds of hot oils and waxes for it, spend time every day trimming it, etc. like some Millennials do these days. Beards are really in fashion now, but they do it in a feminine way. There are plenty of soy-boys who have full beards and are quite effeminate in their habits and speech.

    There's a whole industry now for "beard grooming/care" but not just the shaving aspect. We're talking about care of the beard itself. Real men do NOT get on board with that.

    Actually, I pick on the Millennials (and it's true, they're the ones doing this) but it's been a problem in the past. Men spent so much time vainly doing their mustaches that the Amish decided they wouldn't grow them -- despite growing a full beard otherwise. That's why, to this day, the Amish grow full beards, minus the mustache. The famous "Abe Lincoln" beard.
    The original Greek refers to having long hair.  I would assume that "nourish" is an archaic way of saying "letting it grow long".


    But here is the Vulgate:

    14 Nec ipsa natura docet vos, quod vir quidem si comam nutriat, ignominia est illi:

    15 mulier vero si comam nutriat, gloria est illi: quoniam capilli pro velamine ei dati sunt.


    With the verb nutrio meaning "I suckle, breastfeed, nurse":

    nūtriō (present infinitive nūtrīre, perfect active nūtrīvī or nūtriī, supine nūtrītum); fourth conjugation

    Haydock is imprecise about this:

    Ver. 3. The head of the woman is the man, &c. To have the head covered at public meetings, is, according to S. Paul, a mark of subjection: The man was created to be head over the woman, who was made subject to the man, being made of him, of his rib, and the woman made for him, not he for the woman. The man in a special manner, is the image of God, not only by his immortal soul, in which sense also the woman was made to God's image, and likeness, but inasmuch as God gave him a power over all creatures, and so he is called, the glory of God. For these reasons, as well as from a received custom, S. Paul tells every woman, that in prayer or prophesying in public meetings, she must have her head veiled, and covered in testimony of her subjection to man, her head, otherwise she dishonours herself, and her head. This is what he tells her, (v. 10.) that she ought to have a power over her head,[1] that is, to have a veil or covering, as a mark of man's power over her: and because of the angels, that is, out of a respect to the angels there present. Some understand the priests and ministers of God, called angels, particularly in the Apocalypse. S. Paul adds, that nature[2] having given to women long hair, designed it to be as a natural veil. In fine, he appeals to them, to be judges, whether it be not unbecoming in women to pray without a veil. But he will have men to be uncovered, and not to bear such a mark of subjection, as a veil is, by which a man would dishonour his head, that is, himself, and Christ, who is his head, and who appointed him, when he created him, to be head over the woman. He looks upon it as a dishonour and a disgrace for men to nourish their hair, as women should do. He also calls God the head of Christ, that is, of Christ, as man. Lest he should seem to lessen the condition of women more than necessary, he adds, that the propagation of mankind now depends on the woman, as well as on the man, seeing every man is by the woman.

    So does "nourish" (nutriat) mean simply to let the hair grow, or to do something with it, such as oiling, washing, or treating it in some fashion?  I have to wonder if it means letting the hair grow naturally, to "flow" as a mother allows her breast milk to flow?

    As for myself, I just shave to the bare scalp every couple of weeks.  Saved almost $400 in haircuts the past couple of years.  Gotta save a dollar these days.






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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #6 on: December 26, 2021, 06:53:47 AM »
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  • Good morning QVD!  Merry Christmas!

    I tried to find a Catholic commentary on this, but was unsuccessful.  I do believe that Christ had longer hair simply because of the image on the Holy Shroud...Which I believe is His Holy Image at the very moment of the Resurrection.  Having said that, I honestly do not know what to make of 1 Corinthians.  It is my understanding that having long hair was not prohibited by the Jews of His time and that a certain group purposely never cut their hair as a vow to God.  Samson of the OT comes to mind.  

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #7 on: December 26, 2021, 07:17:29 AM »
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  • Good morning QVD!  Merry Christmas!

    I tried to find a Catholic commentary on this, but was unsuccessful.  I do believe that Christ had longer hair simply because of the image on the Holy Shroud...Which I believe is His Holy Image at the very moment of the Resurrection.  Having said that, I honestly do not know what to make of 1 Corinthians.  It is my understanding that having long hair was not prohibited by the Jєωs of His time and that a certain group purposely never cut their hair as a vow to God.  Samson of the OT comes to mind. 

    Merry Christmas to you also! Thanks to you SM, Nadir and Matthew for the input. The Shroud is probably the best evidence for Our Lords hair length, I don’t believe I forgot about that. :facepalm:
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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #8 on: December 26, 2021, 02:35:45 PM »
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  • Merry Christmas to you also! Thanks to you SM, Nadir and Matthew for the input. The Shroud is probably the best evidence for Our Lords hair length, I don’t believe I forgot about that. :facepalm:
    Thanks, the Shroud is evidence enough for me.  The most probable explanation is that the Resurrection occurred with a kind of energy that maybe we can't even comprehend, and it burned His image into the cloth.  I have told my son that if we ever go to Jerusalem (as I hope we do one day), he can take his EMF meter to the tomb, and observe how it will go off the charts. 

    FWIW, we did the same with a girder from the Twin Towers, and the readings spiked in a way that can't readily be explained by its being merely cold metal.  Got to wonder what could have given it that kind of... radiation?  Things that make you go hmmmm.....

    Got to wonder where my downvote came from.  Yes, I used a non-Catholic source for the Greek --- I really don't understand biblical Greek, and the Protestants kind of eat our lunch when it comes to that kind of thing.  Not defending their heresy, but they do know their way around the Bible.  (Too bad their prejudices keep them from seeing what's clearly there!)  The Greek was what it was, make of it what you will.

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #9 on: December 26, 2021, 02:57:39 PM »
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  • The original Greek refers to having long hair.  I would assume that "nourish" is an archaic way of saying "letting it grow long".


    But here is the Vulgate:

    14 Nec ipsa natura docet vos, quod vir quidem si comam nutriat, ignominia est illi:

    15 mulier vero si comam nutriat, gloria est illi: quoniam capilli pro velamine ei dati sunt.


    With the verb nutrio meaning "I suckle, breastfeed, nurse":

    nūtriō (present infinitive nūtrīre, perfect active nūtrīvī or nūtriī, supine nūtrītum); fourth conjugation

    Haydock is imprecise about this:

    Ver. 3. The head of the woman is the man, &c. To have the head covered at public meetings, is, according to S. Paul, a mark of subjection: The man was created to be head over the woman, who was made subject to the man, being made of him, of his rib, and the woman made for him, not he for the woman. The man in a special manner, is the image of God, not only by his immortal soul, in which sense also the woman was made to God's image, and likeness, but inasmuch as God gave him a power over all creatures, and so he is called, the glory of God. For these reasons, as well as from a received custom, S. Paul tells every woman, that in prayer or prophesying in public meetings, she must have her head veiled, and covered in testimony of her subjection to man, her head, otherwise she dishonours herself, and her head. This is what he tells her, (v. 10.) that she ought to have a power over her head,[1] that is, to have a veil or covering, as a mark of man's power over her: and because of the angels, that is, out of a respect to the angels there present. Some understand the priests and ministers of God, called angels, particularly in the Apocalypse. S. Paul adds, that nature[2] having given to women long hair, designed it to be as a natural veil. In fine, he appeals to them, to be judges, whether it be not unbecoming in women to pray without a veil. But he will have men to be uncovered, and not to bear such a mark of subjection, as a veil is, by which a man would dishonour his head, that is, himself, and Christ, who is his head, and who appointed him, when he created him, to be head over the woman. He looks upon it as a dishonour and a disgrace for men to nourish their hair, as women should do. He also calls God the head of Christ, that is, of Christ, as man. Lest he should seem to lessen the condition of women more than necessary, he adds, that the propagation of mankind now depends on the woman, as well as on the man, seeing every man is by the woman.

    So does "nourish" (nutriat) mean simply to let the hair grow, or to do something with it, such as oiling, washing, or treating it in some fashion?  I have to wonder if it means letting the hair grow naturally, to "flow" as a mother allows her breast milk to flow?

    As for myself, I just shave to the bare scalp every couple of weeks.  Saved almost $400 in haircuts the past couple of years.  Gotta save a dollar these days.
    The question is then what is considered "long." I think hair just above shoulders is fine but not hair going down to the waist.
    I recant many opinions on the crisis in the Church and moral theology that I have espoused on here from at least 2019-2021 don't take my postings from that time as well as 2022 possibly too seriously.

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #10 on: December 26, 2021, 03:12:32 PM »
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  • Thanks, the Shroud is evidence enough for me.  The most probable explanation is that the Resurrection occurred with a kind of energy that maybe we can't even comprehend, and it burned His image into the cloth.  I have told my son that if we ever go to Jerusalem (as I hope we do one day), he can take his EMF meter to the tomb, and observe how it will go off the charts. 

    One of the docuмentaries about the Shroud asserted ..if I am remembering correctly....the possibility that the image on the shroud is NOT of a man that is lying in a tomb because the hair would have been positioned differently.  It suggested that the hair appears to be of a man standing ...or in mid air...as in at the moment of the Resurrection.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5luydh


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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #11 on: December 26, 2021, 04:06:53 PM »
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  • It seems, out of humility, Jesus didn't get his hair done. Plus the shroud and the sudarium 
     suggest his hair was longer.    

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #12 on: December 26, 2021, 04:18:40 PM »
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  • Yes. Alongside the Shroud, this is what I go by: 




    And as Ladislaus mentioned in another thread where I posted this reference, not only does Tomasi's reconstruction have an incredible resemblance to the Shroud, but it also is corroborated by the images of Our Lord that were produced during Antiquity. 

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #13 on: December 26, 2021, 04:31:49 PM »
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  • Yes. Alongside the Shroud, this is what I go by:




    And as Ladislaus mentioned in another thread where I posted this reference, not only does Tomasi's reconstruction have an incredible resemblance to the Shroud, but it also is corroborated by the images of Our Lord that were produced during Antiquity.
    That has an uncanny resemblance to my favorite image of the Sacred Heart. The fetish that suggests that Our Lord was some "plain" ugly brute is contrary to reason, as He is the perfect man, the second Adam. The same goes for Our Lady, who, in the writings of Mary of Agreda, stated that she retained her profound beauty until death.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Did Jesus really have long hair?
    « Reply #14 on: December 26, 2021, 09:08:01 PM »
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  • Yes. Alongside the Shroud, this is what I go by:




    And as Ladislaus mentioned in another thread where I posted this reference, not only does Tomasi's reconstruction have an incredible resemblance to the Shroud, but it also is corroborated by the images of Our Lord that were produced during Antiquity.
    Actually, the man in the middle in the "modern mainstream media" trio might not be too far off the mark.  The one on the left looks like something a Modernist would dream up, to emphasize that "Jesus is just an average guy" --- Gary "Bababooey" Dell'Abate comes to mind --- and the one on the right immediately made me think of David Letterman.